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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	malware-list@dmesg.printk.net, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	greg@kroah.com, jcm@redhat.com, douglas.leeder@sophos.com,
	tytso@mit.edu, arjan@infradead.org, david@lang.hm,
	jengelh@medozas.de, aviro@redhat.com, mrkafk@gmail.com,
	alexl@redhat.com, jack@suse.cz, tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com,
	a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, hch@infradead.org,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, mmorley@hcl.in, pavel@suse.cz
Subject: Re: fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:33:54 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090727183354.GM4231@webber.adilger.int> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090725002916.GB13556@shareable.org>

On Jul 25, 2009  01:29 +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Eric Paris wrote:
> > But maybe I should jsut do the 'if you have fanotify open, you don't
> > create other fanotify events'...   so everyone gets what they expect...
> 
> O_NONOTIFY.  Similar security concerns, more control.
> 
> The security concern is clear: If you allow a process with fanotify
> open to not create events, then any (root) process can open a fanotify
> socket to hide it's behaviour.

I think the "fanotify doesn't generate more fanotify events" makes the
most sense.  Given that the open will be done in the kernel specifically
due to fanotify, this doesn't actually allow the listener to open files
without detection (unlike the "O_NONOTIFY" flag would).  The fanotify
"opens" would only be in response to other processes opening the file.

It might also make sense to verify that the process doing the open has
at least permission to open the file in question (i.e. root) so that
some unauthorized process cannot just get file handles to arbitrary files.

Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
Sr. Staff Engineer, Lustre Group
Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-27 18:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-24 20:13 fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches Eric Paris
2009-07-24 20:48 ` david-gFPdbfVZQbY
     [not found]   ` <alpine.DEB.1.10.0907241340580.28013-Z4YwzcCRHZnr5h6Zg1Auow@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-24 21:01     ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 21:44       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 17:52         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-07-29 20:11           ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 21:00 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-24 21:21   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 22:42     ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-24 23:01       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 22:48 ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]   ` <20090724224813.GK27755-yetKDKU6eevNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-24 23:25     ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 23:46       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 23:49     ` Eric Paris
2009-07-25  0:29       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 18:33         ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2009-07-27 19:23           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-28 17:59             ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]             ` <20090727192342.GA27895-yetKDKU6eevNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-29 20:14               ` Eric Paris
     [not found]           ` <20090727183354.GM4231-RIaA196FMs1uuQVovAj/GogTZbYi8/ss@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-29 20:12             ` Eric Paris
2009-07-29 20:07         ` Eric Paris
2009-07-27 16:54     ` Jan Kara
2009-07-25 14:22 ` Niraj kumar
2009-07-29 20:08   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-28 11:48 ` Jon Masters
     [not found]   ` <1248781708.14145.21.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-29 20:20     ` Eric Paris
2009-08-03 16:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <20090803162303.GA31058-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-03 16:55     ` Eric Paris
2009-08-03 18:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20090803180437.GA9798-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-03 18:13           ` Eric Paris
2009-08-04 16:09 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
     [not found]   ` <200908041709.51659.tvrtko.ursulin-j34lQMj1tz/QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-04 16:27     ` Eric Paris
2009-08-04 16:39       ` Tvrtko Ursulin
     [not found]       ` <1249403268.2361.21.camel-8EcGF3LoIElviLIMxPk1+R/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-04 17:22         ` Valdis.Kletnieks-PjAqaU27lzQ
     [not found]           ` <19585.1249406551-+bZmOdGhbsPr6rcHtW+onFJE71vCis6O@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-04 18:20             ` John Stoffel
     [not found]               ` <19064.31705.491774.122207-HgN6juyGXH5AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-04 18:50                 ` Eric Paris
2009-08-05  9:32               ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-04 16:34 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
     [not found]   ` <200908041734.05762.tvrtko.ursulin-j34lQMj1tz/QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-05 10:12     ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-05 10:35   ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-05  2:05 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-05 16:46   ` Tvrtko Ursulin
     [not found]     ` <200908051746.17903.tvrtko.ursulin-j34lQMj1tz/QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-06 10:10       ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-06 10:20         ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 10:24           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <20090806101059.GD31370-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-06 10:20           ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-06 10:22             ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-07  8:59               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 10:29             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 10:59               ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 11:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 12:48                   ` Tvrtko Ursulin
     [not found]                     ` <200908061348.43625.tvrtko.ursulin-j34lQMj1tz/QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-06 12:58                       ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                         ` <20090806135800.7ccb7787-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-06 18:18                           ` Eric Paris
2009-08-06 13:50                   ` Kernel Event Notification Subsystem (was: fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches) Al Boldi
2009-08-06 13:50                   ` Al Boldi
2009-08-06 18:18                   ` fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches Eric Paris
2009-08-07 16:36                     ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                       ` <E1MZSQZ-0002as-FA-8f8m9JG5TPIdUIPVzhDTVZP2KDSNp7ea@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-07 17:43                         ` Eric Paris
2009-08-08 10:36                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-10 10:03                           ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                     ` <1249582695.20644.35.camel-8EcGF3LoIElviLIMxPk1+R/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-08 10:34                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <200908061159.45550.tvrtko.ursulin-j34lQMj1tz/QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-06 11:24                   ` Pavel Machek

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