From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT and barriers
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:26:35 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090821142635.GB30617@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090821135403.GA6208@shareable.org>
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 02:54:03PM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> I've been thinking about this too, and for optimal performance with
> VMs and also with databases, I think FUA is too strong. (It's also
> too weak, on drives which don't have FUA).
Why is FUA too strong?
> Fortunately there's already a sensible API for both: fdatasync (and
> aio_fsync) to mean flush, and O_DSYNC (or inferred from
> flush-after-one-write) to mean FUA.
I thought about this alot . It would be sensible to only require
the FUA semantics if O_SYNC is specified. But from looking around at
users of O_DIRECT no one seems to actually specify O_SYNC with it.
And on Linux where O_SYNC really means O_DYSNC that's pretty sensible -
if O_DIRECT bypasses the filesystem cache there is nothing else
left to sync for a non-extending write. That is until those pesky disk
write back caches come into play that no application writer wants or
should have to understand.
> It turns out that applications needing integrity must use fdatasync or
> O_DSYNC (or O_SYNC) *already* with O_DIRECT, because the kernel may
> choose to use buffered writes at any time, with no signal to the
> application.
The fallback was a relatively recent addition to the O_DIRECT semantics
for broken filesystems that can't handle holes very well. Fortunately
enough we do force O_SYNC (that is Linux O_SYNC aka Posix O_DSYNC)
semantics for that already.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-21 14:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2009-08-20 22:12 ` O_DIRECT and barriers Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 11:40 ` Jens Axboe
2009-08-21 13:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 14:26 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2009-08-21 15:24 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 17:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 19:18 ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-22 0:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-22 2:19 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-22 2:31 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24 2:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 14:34 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-27 17:10 ` adding proper O_SYNC/O_DSYNC, was " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 17:24 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 15:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:06 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:33 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 20:51 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 21:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:16 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 21:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:43 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 22:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-30 16:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-29 0:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 21:08 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-30 16:58 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-30 17:48 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:06 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 22:08 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-21 22:38 ` Joel Becker
2009-08-21 22:45 ` Joel Becker
2009-08-22 2:11 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24 2:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-24 2:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-22 0:56 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-22 2:06 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-26 6:34 ` Dave Chinner
2009-08-26 15:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-26 18:47 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-27 14:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 14:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:06 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-21 15:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
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