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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: "akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"mm-commits@vger.kernel.org" <mm-commits@vger.kernel.org>,
	"richard@rsk.demon.co.uk" <richard@rsk.demon.co.uk>,
	"chris.mason@oracle.com" <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	"jens.axboe@oracle.com" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	"mbligh@mbligh.org" <mbligh@mbligh.org>,
	"miklos@szeredi.hu" <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: + mm-balance_dirty_pages-reduce-calls-to-global_page_state-to-reduce-c ache-references.patch added to -mm tree
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:32:52 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090823013252.GA7661@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1250964701.7538.101.camel@twins>

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 02:11:41AM +0800, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 10:51 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> 
> > > +++ a/mm/page-writeback.c
> 
> > > @@ -465,7 +439,6 @@ get_dirty_limits(unsigned long *pbackgro
> > >  			bdi_dirty = dirty * bdi->max_ratio / 100;
> > >  
> > >  		*pbdi_dirty = bdi_dirty;
> > >  		task_dirty_limit(current, pbdi_dirty);
> > >  	}
> > >  }
> > > @@ -499,45 +472,12 @@ static void balance_dirty_pages(struct a
> > >  		};
> > >  
> > >  		get_dirty_limits(&background_thresh, &dirty_thresh,
> > > +				 &bdi_thresh, bdi);
> > >  
> > >  		nr_reclaimable = global_page_state(NR_FILE_DIRTY) +
> > > +			global_page_state(NR_UNSTABLE_NFS);
> > > +		nr_writeback = global_page_state(NR_WRITEBACK) +
> > > +			global_page_state(NR_WRITEBACK_TEMP);
> > >  
> > >  		/*
> > >  		 * In order to avoid the stacked BDI deadlock we need
> > > @@ -557,16 +497,48 @@ static void balance_dirty_pages(struct a
> > >  			bdi_nr_writeback = bdi_stat(bdi, BDI_WRITEBACK);
> > >  		}
> > >  
> > 
> > > +		/* always throttle if over threshold */
> > > +		if (nr_reclaimable + nr_writeback < dirty_thresh) {
> > 
> > That 'if' is a big behavior change. It effectively blocks every one
> > and canceled Peter's proportional throttling work: the less a process
> > dirtied, the less it should be throttled.
> 
> Hmm, I think you're right, I had not considered that, thanks for
> catching that.

Thank you :)

> > I'd propose to remove the above 'if' and liberate the following three 'if's.
> 
> That might work, but it looses the total dirty_thresh constraint. The
> sum of per-bdi dirties _should_ not be larger than that, but I'm not
> sure it won't ever be.
> 
> The clip code Richard removed ensured that, and I think I wrote that out
> of more than sheer paranoia, but I'm not sure anymore :/

Oh I assumed that your per-bdi throttling is not too permissive to
exceed the global dirty_thresh. In theory the per-bdi throttling
should be able to quickly stop the growing of (nr_reclaimable +
nr_writeback).  Once dirty_thresh is reached we already lose. 

> I'll go over the numeric stuff again to see where it could go wrong.
> 
> If we can bound the error (I'm suspecting it was some numerical error
> bound) we should be good and can indeed do this.

Yes, that error bound should be smaller than (dirty_thresh -
background_thresh) / 2, unless the user set the two thresholds
insanely close (for that we may add some sanity checks in
dirty_bytes_handler() and dirty_background_bytes_handler() etc.).

Anyway we may do some thing like this for now?

                if (dirty_thresh exceeded) {
                        WARN_ONCE
                        block write more
                }

Thanks,
Fengguang

> > > +
> > > +			if (bdi_nr_reclaimable + bdi_nr_writeback <= bdi_thresh)
> > > +				break;
> > > +
> > > +			/*
> > > +			 * Throttle it only when the background writeback cannot
> > > +			 * catch-up. This avoids (excessively) small writeouts
> > > +			 * when the bdi limits are ramping up.
> > > +			 */
> > > +			if (nr_reclaimable + nr_writeback <
> > > +			    (background_thresh + dirty_thresh) / 2)
> > > +				break;
> > > +
> > > +			/* done enough? */
> > > +			if (pages_written >= write_chunk)
> > > +				break;
> > > +		}
> > > +		if (!bdi->dirty_exceeded)
> > > +			bdi->dirty_exceeded = 1;
> > >  
> > > +		/* Note: nr_reclaimable denotes nr_dirty + nr_unstable.
> > > +		 * Unstable writes are a feature of certain networked
> > > +		 * filesystems (i.e. NFS) in which data may have been
> > > +		 * written to the server's write cache, but has not yet
> > > +		 * been flushed to permanent storage.
> > > +		 * Only move pages to writeback if this bdi is over its
> > > +		 * threshold otherwise wait until the disk writes catch
> > > +		 * up.
> > > +		 */
> > > +		if (bdi_nr_reclaimable > bdi_thresh) {
> > > +			writeback_inodes(&wbc);
> > > +			pages_written += write_chunk - wbc.nr_to_write;
> > 
> > > +			if (wbc.nr_to_write == 0)
> > > +				continue;
> > 
> > What's the purpose of the above 2 lines?
> 
> I think I should slow down, I seem to have totally missed these two
> lines when I read the patch :/
> 
> > > +		}
> > >  		congestion_wait(BLK_RW_ASYNC, HZ/10);
> > >  	}
> > >  
> > >  	if (bdi_nr_reclaimable + bdi_nr_writeback < bdi_thresh &&
> > > +	    bdi->dirty_exceeded)
> > >  		bdi->dirty_exceeded = 0;
> > >  
> > >  	if (writeback_in_progress(bdi))
> > > @@ -580,10 +552,8 @@ static void balance_dirty_pages(struct a
> > >  	 * In normal mode, we start background writeout at the lower
> > >  	 * background_thresh, to keep the amount of dirty memory low.
> > >  	 */
> > > +	if ((laptop_mode && pages_written) || (!laptop_mode &&
> > > +	     (nr_reclaimable > background_thresh)))
> > >  		bdi_start_writeback(bdi, NULL, 0, WB_SYNC_NONE);
> > >  }
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-23  1:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200908212250.n7LMox3g029154@imap1.linux-foundation.org>
2009-08-22  2:51 ` + mm-balance_dirty_pages-reduce-calls-to-global_page_state-to-reduce-c ache-references.patch added to -mm tree Wu Fengguang
2009-08-22 18:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-23  1:32     ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2009-08-23  5:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-23  7:27         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-23  7:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-02  8:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-02  9:57       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-02 10:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-02 13:53           ` Richard Kennedy
2009-09-03  2:22             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-03  3:09               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-03  9:48               ` Richard Kennedy
2009-09-03 11:05                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-03 12:26                   ` Richard Kennedy
2009-09-03  4:53           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-23  9:33   ` Richard Kennedy
2009-08-23 13:00     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-23 13:46       ` Richard Kennedy
2009-08-24  1:41         ` Wu Fengguang

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