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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	david@fromorbit.com, hch@infradead.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] vm: Add an tuning knob for vm.max_writeback_mb
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:17:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090914111721.GA24075@duck.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1252597750.7205.82.camel@laptop>

On Thu 10-09-09 17:49:10, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 16:23 +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> >   Well, what I imagined we could do is:
> > Have a per-bdi variable 'pages_written' - that would reflect the amount of
> > pages written to the bdi since boot (OK, we'd have to handle overflows but
> > that's doable).
> > 
> > There will be a per-bdi variable 'pages_waited'. When a thread should sleep
> > in balance_dirty_pages() because we are over limits, it kicks writeback thread
> > and does:
> >   to_wait =  max(pages_waited, pages_written) + sync_dirty_pages() (or
> > whatever number we decide)
> >   pages_waited = to_wait
> >   sleep until pages_written reaches to_wait or we drop below dirty limits.
> > 
> > That will make sure each thread will sleep until writeback threads have done
> > their duty for the writing thread.
> > 
> > If we make sure sleeping threads are properly ordered on the wait queue,
> > we could always wakeup just the first one and thus avoid the herding
> > effect. When we drop below dirty limits, we would just wakeup the whole
> > waitqueue.
> > 
> > Does this sound reasonable?
> 
> That seems to go wrong when there's multiple tasks waiting on the same
> bdi, you'd count each page for 1/n its weight.
> 
> Suppose pages_written = 1024, and 4 tasks block and compute their to
> wait as pages_written + 256 = 1280, then we'd release all 4 of them
> after 256 pages are written, instead of 4*256, which would be
> pages_written = 2048.
  Well, there's some locking needed of course. The intent is to stack
demands as they come. So in case pages_written = 1024, pages_waited = 1024
we would do:
THREAD 1:

spin_lock
to_wait = 1024 + 256
pages_waited = 1280
spin_unlock

THREAD 2:

spin_lock
to_wait = 1280 + 256
pages_waited = 1536
spin_unlock

  So weight of each page will be kept. The fact that second thread
effectively waits until the first thread has its demand satisfied looks
strange at the first sight but we don't do better currently and I think
it's fine - if they were two writer threads, then soon the thread released
first will queue behind the thread still waiting so long term the behavior
should be fair.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-14 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-08  9:23 [PATCH 0/8] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v19 Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 1/8] writeback: get rid of generic_sync_sb_inodes() export Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 10:27   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-08 10:41     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 10:52       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-08 10:57         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 11:01           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-08 11:05             ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 11:31               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 2/8] writeback: move dirty inodes from super_block to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 3/8] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 13:46   ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-08 14:21     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 4/8] writeback: get rid of pdflush completely Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 5/8] writeback: add some debug inode list counters to bdi stats Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 6/8] writeback: add name to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 7/8] writeback: check for registered bdi in flusher add and inode dirty Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 8/8] vm: Add an tuning knob for vm.max_writeback_mb Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 10:37   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-08 16:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 16:29       ` Chris Mason
2009-09-08 16:56         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 17:28           ` Chris Mason
2009-09-08 17:46             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 17:55               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 18:32                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-09 14:23                   ` Jan Kara
2009-09-09 14:37                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-10 15:49                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-14 11:17                       ` Jan Kara [this message]
2009-09-24  8:33                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-24 15:38                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-25  1:33                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-29 17:35                           ` Jan Kara
2009-09-30  1:24                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-30 11:55                               ` Jan Kara
2009-09-30 12:10                                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-01 15:17                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-01 13:36                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-01 14:22                                   ` Jan Kara
2009-10-01 14:54                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-01 21:35                                       ` Jan Kara
2009-10-02  2:25                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-02  9:54                                           ` Jan Kara
2009-10-02 10:34                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-08 18:35                 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-08 17:57               ` Chris Mason
2009-09-08 18:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-09  1:53           ` Dave Chinner
2009-09-09  3:52             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-08 18:06         ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]           ` <20090908181937.GA11545@infradead.org>
2009-09-08 19:34             ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-09  9:29         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-09 12:28           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-09 12:32             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-09 12:36               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-09 12:37               ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09 12:43                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-09 12:44                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09 12:51                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-09 12:57                 ` Wu Fengguang
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-09-04  7:46 [PATCH 0/8] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v18 Jens Axboe
2009-09-04  7:46 ` [PATCH 8/8] vm: Add an tuning knob for vm.max_writeback_mb Jens Axboe
2009-09-04 15:28   ` Richard Kennedy
2009-09-05 13:26     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-05 16:18       ` Richard Kennedy
2009-09-05 16:46     ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-07 19:09   ` Jan Kara

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