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From: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	tytso@mit.edu, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/7] writeback: separate starting of sync vs opportunistic writeback
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:09:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090915140923.GB23965@think> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090915140145.GG12169@duck.suse.cz>

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 04:01:45PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Tue 15-09-09 09:08:29, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 03:04:19PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > 
> > > >   Let's have a look at the flags in wbc:
> > > >   nonblocking - Currently only set by direct callers of ->writepage() BUT
> > > >                 originally wb_kupdate() and background_writeout() also
> > > >                 set this flag. Since filesystems and write_cache_pages()
> > > > 		use the flag we should set it for equivalent writeouts as
> > > >                 well. This should be fixed...
> > > 
> > > Since this is all handled by the dedicated thread now, dropping the
> > > nonblocking bit was on purpose. What would the point be, except for
> > > stopping pdflush being blocked on request allocation?
> > 
> > Note that this flag just caused utter mess traditionally.  btrfs decided
> > to ignore it completely and ext4 partially.  Removing this check in
> > XFS increases large bufferd write loads massively.
> > 
> > Just half-removing it is a bad idea, though - if you don't set it
> > anymore please kill it entirely.
>   The nonblocking flag is still set for writeback done for memory reclaim.
> OTOH the only real consumer of this flag now seems to be
> __block_write_full_page() which does trylock_buffer() in case of
> nonblocking writeback. I'm undecided whether it makes sence or not.

Ugh, making sense is tricky to say.  If __block_write_full_page
does a lock_buffer() instead of a trylock_buffer(), and ext3 is mounted in
data=ordered mode then it is very possible that we'll end up with a
dirty page with locked buffers.

The buffers will have been locked by ext3 data=ordered writeback and
they won't unlock until the IO is done.

We probably don't want kswapd waiting on that writeback.

-chris




  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-15 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-14  9:36 [PATCH 0/7] Post merge per-bdi writeback patches v2 Jens Axboe
2009-09-14  9:36 ` [PATCH 1/7] writeback: merely wakeup flusher thread if work allocation fails for WB_SYNC_NONE Jens Axboe
2009-09-14 12:34   ` Jan Kara
2009-09-14 12:39     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-14 13:19       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-14  9:36 ` [PATCH 2/7] Assign bdi in super_block Jens Axboe
2009-09-14 13:02   ` Jan Kara
2009-09-14 18:25     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-09-14 18:36       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-15 10:14         ` Jan Kara
2009-09-15 10:22           ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-15 13:16           ` Trond Myklebust
2009-09-14  9:36 ` [PATCH 3/7] writeback: only use bdi_writeback_all() for WB_SYNC_NONE writeout Jens Axboe
2009-09-14 13:12   ` Jan Kara
2009-09-14  9:36 ` [PATCH 4/7] writeback: use RCU to protect bdi_list Jens Axboe
2009-09-14 11:10   ` Minchan Kim
2009-09-14 11:11     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-14  9:36 ` [PATCH 5/7] writeback: inline allocation failure handling in bdi_alloc_queue_work() Jens Axboe
2009-09-14 13:13   ` Jan Kara
2009-09-14  9:36 ` [PATCH 6/7] writeback: separate starting of sync vs opportunistic writeback Jens Axboe
2009-09-14 13:33   ` Jan Kara
2009-09-14 13:42     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-14 19:28       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-14 19:42         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-15  9:08           ` Jan Kara
2009-09-15  9:14             ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-15 11:44               ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-15 12:58                 ` Jan Kara
2009-09-15 13:04                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-15 13:08                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-15 13:17                       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-15 14:01                       ` Jan Kara
2009-09-15 14:09                         ` Chris Mason [this message]
2009-09-14  9:36 ` [PATCH 7/7] writeback: splice dirty inode entries to default bdi on bdi_destroy() Jens Axboe
2009-09-14 10:56   ` Jens Axboe

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