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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"chris.mason@oracle.com" <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v20
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:18:50 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090921101850.GA7045@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090921100242.GA1099@duck.suse.cz>

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 06:02:42PM +0800, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Mon 21-09-09 17:53:26, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 01:35:46PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > >   Here is how I'd imaging the writeout logic should work:
> > > > > We would have just two lists - b_dirty and b_more_io. Both would be
> > > > > ordered by dirtied_when.
> > > > 
> > > > Andrew has a very good description for the dirty/io/more_io queues:
> > > > 
> > > > http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/2/7/5
> > > > 
> > > > | So the protocol would be:
> > > > |
> > > > | s_io: contains expired and non-expired dirty inodes, with expired ones at
> > > > | the head.  Unexpired ones (at least) are in time order.
> > > > |
> > > > | s_more_io: contains dirty expired inodes which haven't been fully written. 
> > > > | Ordering doesn't matter (unless someone goes and changes
> > > > | dirty_expire_centisecs - but as long as we don't do anything really bad in
> > > > | response to this we'll be OK).
> > > > |
> > > > | s_dirty: contains expired and non-expired dirty inodes.  The non-expired
> > > > | ones are in time-of-dirtying order.
> > > > 
> > > > Since then s_io was changed to hold only _expired_ dirty inodes at the
> > > > beginning of a full scan. It serves as a bounded set of dirty inodes.
> > > > So that when finished a full scan of it, the writeback can go on to
> > > > the next superblock, and old dirty files' writeback won't be delayed
> > > > infinitely by poring in newly dirty files.
> > > > 
> > > > It seems that the boundary could also be provided by some
> > > > older_than_this timestamp. So removal of b_io is possible
> > > > at least on this purpose.
> > > 
> > > Yeah, this is a scratch patch to remove b_io, I see no obvious
> > > difficulties in doing so.
> > 
> > However the removal of b_io is not that good for possible b_dirty
> > optimizations. For example, we could use a tree for b_dirty for more
> > flexible ordering. Or can introduce a b_dirty_atime to hold the inodes
> > dirtied by atime and expire them much lazily:
> > 
> >                        expire > 30m
> >         b_dirty_atime --------------+
> >                                     |
> >                                     +--- b_io ---> writeback
> >                                     |
> >         b_dirty --------------------+
> >                        expire > 30s
>   Well, you can still implement the above without a need for b_io list. The
> kupdate-style writeback can for example check the first inode in both lists
> and process the inode which is expired for a longer time.

OK. Given that rel_atime is default now, such optimization seems less
useful anyway.

Thanks,
Fengguang

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-21 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-11  7:34 [PATCH 0/7] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v20 Jens Axboe
2009-09-11  7:34 ` [PATCH 1/7] writeback: get rid of generic_sync_sb_inodes() export Jens Axboe
2009-09-11  7:34 ` [PATCH 2/7] writeback: move dirty inodes from super_block to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-09-11  7:34 ` [PATCH 3/7] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
2009-09-11  7:34 ` [PATCH 4/7] writeback: get rid of pdflush completely Jens Axboe
2009-09-11  7:34 ` [PATCH 5/7] writeback: add some debug inode list counters to bdi stats Jens Axboe
2009-09-11  7:34 ` [PATCH 6/7] writeback: add name to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-09-11  7:34 ` [PATCH 7/7] writeback: check for registered bdi in flusher add and inode dirty Jens Axboe
2009-09-11 13:42 ` [PATCH 0/7] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v20 Theodore Tso
2009-09-11 13:45   ` Chris Mason
2009-09-11 14:04     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-11 14:16   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-11 14:29     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-11 14:39       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-18 17:52         ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-19  3:58           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-19  4:00             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-19  4:26               ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]               ` <20090919042607.GA19752@localhost>
2009-09-19 15:03                 ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]                 ` <20090919150351.GA19880@localhost>
2009-09-20 19:00                   ` Jan Kara
2009-09-21  3:04                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-21  5:35                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-21  9:53                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-21 10:02                           ` Jan Kara
2009-09-21 10:18                             ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2009-09-21 12:42                       ` Jan Kara
2009-09-21 15:12                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-21 16:08                           ` Jan Kara
2009-09-22  5:10                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-21 13:53                 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-22 10:13                   ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]                   ` <20090922101335.GA27432@localhost>
2009-09-22 11:30                     ` Chris Mason
2009-09-22 11:45                       ` Jan Kara
2009-09-22 12:47                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-22 17:41                         ` Chris Mason
2009-09-22 13:18                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-22 15:59                         ` Chris Mason
2009-09-23  1:05                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 14:08                             ` Chris Mason
2009-09-24  1:32                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-22 11:30                     ` Jan Kara
2009-09-22 13:33                       ` Wu Fengguang

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