From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@scalex86.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc][patch] store-free path walking
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:29:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091007162949.GV30316@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0910070742260.3432@localhost.localdomain>
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 07:56:33AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Nick Piggin wrote:
> >
> > OK, I have a really basic patch that does store-free path walking
> > (except on the final element).
>
> Yay!
>
> > dbench is pretty nasty still because it seems to do a lot of stupid
> > things like reading from /proc/mounts all the time.
>
> You should largely forget about dbench, it can certainly be a useful
> benchmark, but at the same time it's certainly not a _meaningful_ one.
> There are better things to try.
Yes, sure. I'm just pointing out that it seems to do insane things
(like reading /proc/mounts at regular intervals, although I don't
see that in dbench source so I really hope it isn't libc being
"smart").
I agree it is not a very good benchmark.
> > The seqlock in the dentry is for getting consistent name,len pointer,
> > and also not giving a false positive if a rename has partially
> > overwritten the name string (false negatives are always fine in the
> > lock free lookup path but false positives are not). Possibly we
> > could make do with a per-sb seqlock for this (or just rename_lock).
>
> My plan was always to just use rename_lock, and only do it at the outer
> level (and do it for both lookup failures _and_ for the success case).
> Your approach is _way_ more conservative than I would have done, and also
> potentially much slower due to the seqlock-per-path-component thing.
Hmm, the only issue is that we need a consistent load of the name
pointer and the length, otherwise our memcmp might go crazy. We
could solve this by another level of indirection so a rename only
requires a pointer swap...
But anyway at this approach I only use a single seqlock, because
the negative case always falls out to the locked walk anyway (this
again might be a bit conservative and something we could tighten
up).
> Remember: seqlocks are almost free on x86, but they can be reasonably
> expensive in other places.
>
> Hmm. Regardless, this very much does look like what I envisioned, apart
> from details like that. And maybe your per-dentry seqlock is the right
> choice. On x86, it certainly doesn't have the performance issues it could
> have in other places.
Yeah, well at least the basics seem to be there. I agree it is not
totally clean and will have some cases that need optimising, but it
is something people can start looking at...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-07 16:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-06 6:49 Latest vfs scalability patch Nick Piggin
2009-10-06 10:14 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-06 10:26 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-06 11:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-06 12:51 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-06 12:26 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-06 12:49 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-07 8:58 ` [rfc][patch] store-free path walking Nick Piggin
2009-10-07 9:56 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-07 10:10 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-12 3:58 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-12 5:59 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-12 8:20 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-12 11:00 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-13 1:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-10-13 1:52 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-07 14:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-07 16:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-07 16:46 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-07 19:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-07 20:34 ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-07 20:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-07 21:06 ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-07 21:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-07 21:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-07 22:22 ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-08 7:39 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-09 17:53 ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-08 13:12 ` Denys Vlasenko
2009-10-09 7:47 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-09 17:49 ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-07 16:29 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2009-10-08 12:36 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-08 12:57 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-08 13:22 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-08 13:30 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-08 18:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-09 4:04 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-09 8:54 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-09 9:51 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-09 10:02 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-09 10:08 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-09 10:07 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-09 3:50 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-09 6:15 ` David Miller
2009-10-09 10:40 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-09 11:09 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-09 10:44 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-09 10:48 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-09 23:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-10-15 10:08 ` Latest vfs scalability patch Anton Blanchard
2009-10-15 10:39 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-15 10:46 ` Anton Blanchard
2009-10-15 10:53 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-15 11:23 ` Anton Blanchard
2009-10-15 11:41 ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-15 11:48 ` Nick Piggin
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