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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>,
	Myklebust Trond <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	"Li, Shaohua" <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
	"jens.axboe@oracle.com" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Richard Kennedy <richard@rsk.demon.co.uk>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/45] writeback: reduce calls to global_page_state in balance_dirty_pages()
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:38:32 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091014013832.GA11882@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1255458499.8967.711.camel@laptop>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 02:28:19AM +0800, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 20:12 +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > >       for (;;) {
> > >               nr_reclaimable = global_page_state(NR_FILE_DIRTY) +
> > >                                global_page_state(NR_UNSTABLE_NFS);
> > >               nr_writeback = global_page_state(NR_WRITEBACK) +
> > >                              global_page_state(NR_WRITEBACK_TEMP);
> > > 
> > >               global_dirty_thresh(&background_thresh, &dirty_thresh);
> > > 
> > >               /*
> > >                * Throttle it only when the background writeback cannot
> > >                * catch-up. This avoids (excessively) small writeouts
> > >                * when the bdi limits are ramping up.
> > >                */
> > >               if (nr_reclaimable + nr_writeback <
> > >                   (background_thresh + dirty_thresh) / 2)
> > >                       break;
> > > 
> > >               bdi_thresh = bdi_dirty_thresh(bdi, dirty_thresh);
> > > 
> > >               /*
> > >                * In order to avoid the stacked BDI deadlock we need
> > >                * to ensure we accurately count the 'dirty' pages when
> > >                * the threshold is low.
> > >                *
> > >                * Otherwise it would be possible to get thresh+n pages
> > >                * reported dirty, even though there are thresh-m pages
> > >                * actually dirty; with m+n sitting in the percpu
> > >                * deltas.
> > >                */
> > >               if (bdi_thresh < 2*bdi_stat_error(bdi)) {
> > >                       bdi_nr_reclaimable = bdi_stat_sum(bdi, BDI_RECLAIMABLE);
> > >                       bdi_nr_writeback = bdi_stat_sum(bdi, BDI_WRITEBACK);
> > >               } else {
> > >                       bdi_nr_reclaimable = bdi_stat(bdi, BDI_RECLAIMABLE);
> > >                       bdi_nr_writeback = bdi_stat(bdi, BDI_WRITEBACK);
> > >               }
> > > 
> > >               /*
> > >                * The bdi thresh is somehow "soft" limit derived from the
> > >                * global "hard" limit. The former helps to prevent heavy IO
> > >                * bdi or process from holding back light ones; The latter is
> > >                * the last resort safeguard.
> > >                */
> > >               dirty_exceeded =
> > >                       (bdi_nr_reclaimable + bdi_nr_writeback >= bdi_thresh)
> > >                       || (nr_reclaimable + nr_writeback >= dirty_thresh);
> > > 
> > >               if (!dirty_exceeded)
> > >                       break;
> > > 
> > >               bdi->dirty_exceed_time = jiffies;
> > > 
> > >               bdi_writeback_wait(bdi, write_chunk);
> >   Hmm, probably you've discussed this in some other email but why do we
> > cycle in this loop until we get below dirty limit? We used to leave the
> > loop after writing write_chunk... So the time we spend in
> > balance_dirty_pages() is no longer limited, right?

Right, this is a legitimate concern.

> Wu was saying that without the loop nr_writeback wasn't limited, but
> since bdi_writeback_wakeup() is driven from writeout completion, I'm not
> sure how again that was so.

Let me summarize the ideas :)

There are two cases:

- there are no bdi or block io queue to limit nr_writeback
  This must be fixed. It either let nr_writeback grow to dirty_thresh
  (with loop) and thus squeeze nr_dirty, or grow out of control
  totally (without loop). Current state is, the nr_writeback wait
  queue for NFS is there; the one for btrfs is still missing.

- there is a nr_writeback limit, but is larger than dirty_thresh
  In this case nr_dirty will be close to 0 regardless of the loop.
  The loop will help to keep
          nr_dirty + nr_writeback + nr_unstable < dirty_thresh
  Without the loop, the "real" dirty threshold would be larger
  (determined by the nr_writeback limit).

> We can move all of bdi_dirty to bdi_writeout, if the bdi writeout queue
> permits, but it cannot grow beyond the total limit, since we're actually
> waiting for writeout completion.

Yes, this explains the second case. It's some trade-off like: the
nr_writeback limit can not be trusted in small memory systems, so do
the loop to impose the dirty_thresh, which unfortunately can hurt
responsiveness on all systems with prolonged wait time..

We could possibly test (nr_dirty < nr_writeback). If so, the
nr_writeback limit could be too large to deserve the loop.

It still don't address the nr_dirty=0 problem for small memory system,
that should be acceptable since its nr_dirty will be small anyway.

> Possibly unstable is peculiar.

unstable can also go wild. I saw (in current linux-next with the
following patch) balance_dirty_pages() sleeping for >30s waiting for
the NFS nr_unstable to drop. That is, waiting for the dirty inode to
be _expired_ and written to disk on the server.

It's a general uncoordinated double caching problem for NFS (and maybe more).

Thanks,
Fengguang
---

[   45.614799] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 228ms
[   45.954821] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 324ms
[   46.294874] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 324ms
[   46.638810] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 328ms
[   46.670769] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 28ms
[   46.802779] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 128ms
[   46.934788] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 124ms
[   47.066778] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 124ms
[   47.198774] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 128ms
[   47.330763] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 124ms
[   47.462768] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 128ms
[   47.594768] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 124ms
[   47.662763] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 60ms
[   47.798781] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 132ms
[   47.871435] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 64ms
[   48.002749] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 124ms
[   48.138787] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 132ms
[   48.270824] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 124ms
[   48.410762] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 128ms
[   48.542758] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 128ms
[   48.678786] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 132ms
[   48.810781] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 124ms
[   48.946755] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 124ms
[   49.182753] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 228ms
[   49.318773] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 128ms
[   49.666784] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 324ms
[   49.914774] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 228ms
[   79.998354] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 30068ms
[   80.062346] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 60ms
[   80.290414] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 224ms
[   80.542413] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 228ms
[   80.782384] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 228ms
[   81.142379] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 336ms
[  116.005926] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 34852ms
[  141.049584] balance_dirty_pages sleeped 25040ms


Signed-off-by: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
---
 mm/page-writeback.c |    7 ++++++-
 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)

--- linux.orig/mm/page-writeback.c	2009-10-09 10:22:58.000000000 +0800
+++ linux/mm/page-writeback.c	2009-10-09 10:31:53.000000000 +0800
@@ -490,6 +490,7 @@ static void balance_dirty_pages(struct a
 	unsigned long bdi_thresh;
 	unsigned long pages_written = 0;
 	unsigned long pause = 1;
+	unsigned long start = jiffies;
 
 	struct backing_dev_info *bdi = mapping->backing_dev_info;
 
@@ -566,7 +567,8 @@ static void balance_dirty_pages(struct a
 		if (pages_written >= write_chunk)
 			break;		/* We've done our duty */
 
-		schedule_timeout_interruptible(pause);
+		__set_current_state(TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE);
+		io_schedule_timeout(pause);
 
 		/*
 		 * Increase the delay for each loop, up to our previous
@@ -577,6 +579,9 @@ static void balance_dirty_pages(struct a
 			pause = HZ / 10;
 	}
 
+	if (pause > 1)
+		printk("balance_dirty_pages sleeped %lums\n", (jiffies - start) * 1000/HZ);
+
 	if (bdi_nr_reclaimable + bdi_nr_writeback < bdi_thresh &&
 			bdi->dirty_exceeded)
 		bdi->dirty_exceeded = 0;

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-14  1:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-07  7:38 [PATCH 00/45] some writeback experiments Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 01/45] writeback: reduce calls to global_page_state in balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2009-10-09 15:12   ` Jan Kara
2009-10-09 15:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-09 15:47       ` Jan Kara
2009-10-11  2:28         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-11  7:44           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-11 10:50             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-11 10:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-11 11:25               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-12  1:26                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-12  9:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-12  9:24                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-10 21:33     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-12 21:18       ` Jan Kara
2009-10-13  3:24         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-13  8:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-13 18:12           ` Jan Kara
2009-10-13 18:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-14  1:38               ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2009-10-14 11:22                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-17  5:30                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 02/45] writeback: reduce calculation of bdi dirty thresholds Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 03/45] ext4: remove unused parameter wbc from __ext4_journalled_writepage() Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 04/45] writeback: remove unused nonblocking and congestion checks Wu Fengguang
2009-10-09 15:26   ` Jan Kara
2009-10-10 13:47     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 05/45] writeback: remove the always false bdi_cap_writeback_dirty() test Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 06/45] writeback: use larger ratelimit when dirty_exceeded Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  8:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07  9:17     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 07/45] writeback: dont redirty tail an inode with dirty pages Wu Fengguang
2009-10-09 15:45   ` Jan Kara
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 08/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (write_cache_pages) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 09/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (pohmelfs) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 12:32   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-10-07 14:23     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 10/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (btrfs) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 11/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (cifs) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 12/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (ext4) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 13/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (gfs2) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 14/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (afs) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 15/45] writeback: fix queue_io() ordering Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 16/45] writeback: merge for_kupdate and !for_kupdate cases Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 17/45] writeback: only allow two background writeback works Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 18/45] writeback: introduce wait queue for balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  1:01   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-08  1:58     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  2:40       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-08  4:01         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  5:59           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-08  6:07             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  6:28             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  6:39               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-08  8:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-08  8:11         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-08  8:36         ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-09  2:52           ` [PATCH] writeback: account IO throttling wait as iowait Wu Fengguang
2009-10-09 10:41             ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-09 10:58               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-09 11:01                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-08  8:05     ` [PATCH 18/45] writeback: introduce wait queue for balance_dirty_pages() Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 19/45] writeback: remove the loop in balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 20/45] NFS: introduce writeback wait queue Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  8:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07  9:07     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  9:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07  9:19         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  9:17       ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-07  9:52         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 21/45] writeback: estimate bdi write bandwidth Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  8:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07  9:39     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 22/45] writeback: show bdi write bandwidth in debugfs Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 23/45] writeback: kill space in debugfs item name Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 24/45] writeback: remove global nr_to_write and use timeout instead Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 25/45] writeback: convert wbc.nr_to_write to per-file parameter Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 26/45] block: pass the non-rotational queue flag to backing_dev_info Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 27/45] writeback: introduce wbc.for_background Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 28/45] writeback: introduce wbc.nr_segments Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 29/45] writeback: fix the shmem AOP_WRITEPAGE_ACTIVATE case Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 11:57   ` Hugh Dickins
2009-10-07 14:00     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 30/45] vmscan: lumpy pageout Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 31/45] writeback: sync old inodes first in background writeback Wu Fengguang
2010-07-12  3:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-12 15:24     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 32/45] writeback: update kupdate expire timestamp on each scan of b_io Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 34/45] writeback: sync livelock - kick background writeback Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 35/45] writeback: sync livelock - use single timestamp for whole sync work Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 36/45] writeback: sync livelock - curb dirty speed for inodes to be synced Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 37/45] writeback: use timestamp to indicate dirty exceeded Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 38/45] writeback: introduce queue b_more_io_wait Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 39/45] writeback: remove wbc.more_io Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 40/45] writeback: requeue_io_wait() on I_SYNC locked inode Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 41/45] writeback: requeue_io_wait() on pages_skipped inode Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:39 ` [PATCH 42/45] writeback: requeue_io_wait() on blocked inode Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:39 ` [PATCH 43/45] writeback: requeue_io_wait() on fs redirtied inode Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:39 ` [PATCH 44/45] NFS: remove NFS_INO_FLUSHING lock Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 13:11   ` Peter Staubach
2009-10-07 13:32     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 13:59       ` Peter Staubach
2009-10-08  1:44         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:39 ` [PATCH 45/45] btrfs: fix race on syncing the btree inode Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  8:53 ` [PATCH 00/45] some writeback experiments Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07 10:17 ` [PATCH 14/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (afs) David Howells
2009-10-07 10:21   ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-07 10:47     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 11:23       ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-07 12:21         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 13:47 ` [PATCH 00/45] some writeback experiments Peter Staubach
2009-10-07 15:18   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  5:33     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  5:44       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 14:26 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-07 14:45   ` Wu Fengguang

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