From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@lhnet.ca>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@aristanetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/13] sysfs: Simplify sysfs_chmod_file semantics
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:55:47 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091104045547.GA774@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m17hu7ez0v.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm@xmission.com):
> "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com> writes:
>
> > Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm@xmission.com):
> >> From: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> >>
> >> Currently every caller of sysfs_chmod_file happens at either
> >> file creation time to set a non-default mode or in response
> >> to a specific user requested space change in policy. Making
> >> timestamps of when the chmod happens and notification of
> >> a file changing mode uninteresting.
> >
> > But these changes can occur by togging values in sysfs files
> > (i.e. f71805f.c), right? Is this (specifically not doing inotify)
> > definately uncontroversial?
>
> The fs_notify_change was not introduced to deliberately support
> a feature but as a side effect of other cleanups. So there
> is no indication that anyone cares about inotify support.
>
> > I can't exactly picture an admin sitting there watching
> > nautilus for a sysfs file to become writeable, but could
> > imagine some site's automation getting hung... Or am I way
> > off base?
>
> I would be stunned if the shell script in the automation that writes
> to a sysfs file to make things writeable doesn't on it's next line
> kick off whatever needs it to be writable.
>
> With no benefit to using inotify and with only a handful of sysfs
> files affected I don't expect this change to break anything in
> userspace and I have been happily running with it for a year or so on
> all of our machines at work with no one problems.
>
> The reason I am making the change is that the goal of this patchset is
> to get sysfs to act like any other distributed filesystem in linux,
> and to use the same interfaces in roughly the same ways as other
> distributed filesystems. Unfortunately there is not a good interface
> for distributed filesystems to support inotify or I would use it.
>
> Eric
Ok - I personally agree, but I know there are admins out there with
very different mindsets from mine
Acked-by: Serge Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com>
-serge
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-04 4:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-03 11:53 [PATCH 0/13] sysfs lazification Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-03 11:56 ` [PATCH 01/13] sysfs: Update sysfs_setxattr so it updates secdata under the sysfs_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-03 13:48 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-03 21:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-03 21:31 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-03 22:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-07 2:27 ` Tejun Heo
2009-11-03 11:56 ` [PATCH 02/13] sysfs: Rename sysfs_d_iput to sysfs_dentry_iput Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 4:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-03 11:56 ` [PATCH 03/13] sysfs: Use dentry_ops instead of directly playing with the dcache Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-03 22:27 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-03 11:57 ` [PATCH 04/13] sysfs: Simplify sysfs_chmod_file semantics Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 2:43 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-04 3:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 4:55 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2009-11-03 11:57 ` [PATCH 05/13] sysfs: Simplify iattr time assignments Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 2:57 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-03 11:57 ` [PATCH 06/13] sysfs: Fix locking and factor out sysfs_sd_setattr Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 3:16 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-04 3:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 12:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-03 11:57 ` [PATCH 07/13] sysfs: Update s_iattr on link and unlink Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 3:54 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-04 4:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 4:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-03 11:57 ` [PATCH 08/13] sysfs: Nicely indent sysfs_symlink_inode_operations Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 4:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-03 11:57 ` [PATCH 09/13] sysfs: Implement sysfs_getattr & sysfs_permission Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 4:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-04 5:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 14:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-07 2:06 ` Tejun Heo
2009-11-08 6:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-03 11:57 ` [PATCH 10/13] sysfs: In sysfs_chmod_file lazily propagate the mode change Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 4:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-03 11:57 ` [PATCH 11/13] sysfs: Gut sysfs_addrm_start and sysfs_addrm_finish Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 4:32 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-07 2:08 ` Tejun Heo
2009-11-03 11:57 ` [PATCH 12/13] sysfs: Propagate renames to the vfs on demand Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 21:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-04 21:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-07 2:11 ` Tejun Heo
2009-11-07 2:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-07 2:20 ` Tejun Heo
2009-11-07 2:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-07 11:12 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-11-07 11:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09 14:14 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-09 22:34 ` Eric Biederman
2009-11-03 11:57 ` [PATCH 13/13] sysfs: Factor out sysfs_rename from sysfs_rename_dir and sysfs_move_dir Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 22:19 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-04 22:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 22:37 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-05 4:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 12:04 ` [PATCH 14/13] sysfs: sysfs_setattr remove unnecessary permission check Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 14:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-07 2:18 ` Tejun Heo
2009-11-04 12:05 ` [PATCH 15/13] sysfs: Protect sysfs_refresh_inode with inode mutex Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-04 14:27 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-04 20:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-07 2:26 ` Tejun Heo
2009-11-08 7:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-06 22:48 ` [PATCH 0/13] sysfs lazification Greg KH
2009-11-08 7:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-17 9:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-17 15:41 ` Greg KH
2009-11-17 15:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:25 ` [PATCH 0/15] sysfs lazification final Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:26 ` [PATCH 01/15] sysfs: Update sysfs_setxattr so it updates secdata under the sysfs_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 02/15] sysfs: Rename sysfs_d_iput to sysfs_dentry_iput Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 03/15] sysfs: Use dentry_ops instead of directly playing with the dcache Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 04/15] sysfs: Simplify sysfs_chmod_file semantics Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 05/15] sysfs: Simplify iattr time assignments Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 06/15] sysfs: Fix locking and factor out sysfs_sd_setattr Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09 14:26 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-11-20 20:13 ` Greg KH
2009-11-20 21:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-21 0:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-21 5:12 ` Greg KH
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 07/15] sysfs: Update s_iattr on link and unlink Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 08/15] sysfs: Nicely indent sysfs_symlink_inode_operations Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 09/15] sysfs: Implement sysfs_getattr & sysfs_permission Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 10/15] sysfs: In sysfs_chmod_file lazily propagate the mode change Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 11/15] sysfs: Gut sysfs_addrm_start and sysfs_addrm_finish Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 12/15] sysfs: Propagate renames to the vfs on demand Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 13/15] sysfs: Factor out sysfs_rename from sysfs_rename_dir and sysfs_move_dir Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 14/15] sysfs: sysfs_setattr remove unnecessary permission check Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 7:27 ` [PATCH 15/15] sysfs: Protect sysfs_refresh_inode with inode mutex Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09 3:57 ` [PATCH 0/15] sysfs lazification final Tejun Heo
2009-11-30 21:33 ` Greg KH
2009-11-30 21:53 ` Greg KH
2009-12-01 0:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
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