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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: "Kok, Auke" <auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com>
Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	"Wu, Fengguang" <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vfs: Add a trace point in the mark_inode_dirty function
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:22:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091112072217.GA31719@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AFB4AC7.1090405@intel.com>


* Kok, Auke <auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com> wrote:

> If you already know what the file object is, sure. We're interested in 
> the case where we have no clue what the file object actually is to 
> begin with. Having a trace with a random inode number pop up and then 
> disappear into thin air won't help much at all, especially if we can't 
> map it back to something "real" on disk. in time.

Yep.

It's similar to PID/comm tracing, which we already do consistently for 
all major task events such as fork/exit, sleep/wakeup/context-switch, 
etc.

By the 'use inode numbers' argument it should be perfectly fine to only 
trace the physical PID itself, and look up the comm later in /proc, or 
to add a syscall to do it.

In reality it's not fine. Not just the unnecessary overhead (you have to 
look up something you already had) - but also that tasks will exit in 
high-freq workloads (so the comm is lost), the PID might not match up 
anymore, tasks can change their comm, etc.

The most important principle with event logging is that we want the most 
high quality information and we want to a trustable and simple data 
source: so for tasks we want the PID and the comm, and for files we want 
the top name component and perhaps also the inode number (plus a 
filesystem id), captured when the event happened.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-12  7:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-26  5:53 [PATCH] vfs: Add a trace point in the mark_inode_dirty function Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-26  6:03 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-26  6:55   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-27 16:01 ` Jason Baron
2009-11-11  2:01 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-11-11  6:34   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-11  6:40     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-11-11  7:42     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-11-11  7:45       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-11  7:56         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-11-11 11:15           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-11 17:27         ` Kok, Auke
2009-11-11 18:29         ` Theodore Tso
2009-11-11 18:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-12  2:15           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-11 16:19       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-11 23:10         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-11-11 23:37           ` Kok, Auke
2009-11-12  7:22             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-11-20 10:43               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-20 10:51                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-20 14:45                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-20 16:05                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-20 16:45                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-11  2:33 ` Li Zefan
2009-11-15 19:00   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-16  0:56     ` Li Zefan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-11-26 20:56 Arjan van de Ven
2010-11-28 17:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-28 18:43   ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-11-29  1:41     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-29  4:54       ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-11-29  5:15         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-29 14:21           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-29 14:41             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-29 16:31               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-30  0:37             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-29  3:53     ` Nick Piggin

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