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From: Valerie Aurora <vaurora@redhat.com>
To: Erez Zadok <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
	Scott James Remnant <scott@canonical.com>,
	Sandu Popa Marius <sandupopamarius@gmail.com>,
	Jan Rekorajski <baggins@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>,
	"J. R. Okajima" <hooanon05@yahoo.co.jp>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Vladimir Dronnikov <dronnikov@gmail.com>,
	Felix Fietkau <nbd@openwrt.org>
Subject: Re: Fallthrus as full-length symlinks?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:13:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091117191349.GC17822@shell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200911131846.nADIkFR6022038@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 01:46:15PM -0500, Erez Zadok wrote:
> In message <20091113174631.GD19656@shell>, Valerie Aurora writes:
> > Fallthrus were invented as a placeholders for readdir() on a
> > union-mounted directory - basically, to use the top-level file
> > system's readdir() cookie mechanism.  Fallthrus are persistent
> > directory entries and are implemented by the underlying file system -
> > such as ext2 or tmpfs - in whatever way it sees fit.  We've
> > implemented them for ext2 in two ways: as a regular directory entry
> > with a magic inode number, and as a regular directory entry with a
> > special file type.
> 
> Other than a possible improvement to ->rename, what's wrong with the idea of
> a special dirent flag?  I kinda liked that idea: it's simple and requires
> only a small amount of change to lower file systems.  Any idea in which you
> have to record the whiteouts using an actual file or inode is more
> cumbersome.

You have it right - the major advantage is a possible simplification
to rename().

> > Recently, David Woodhouse suggested implementing fallthrus as
> > full-length symlinks with a special flag.
> 
> Where does this "special flag" go?  Is it persistent?  Is it new?  Would
> that mean having to change lower file systems to teach them about this flag?
> 
> Is there a way of doing it w/o having to change lower f/s code at all?
> That'll be a major advantage if possible.

I can't think of a way to do it without using up namespace - but
perhaps there is some part of the symlink target namespace that has no
valid meaning that we could use instead, like Arnd's self symlink.

-VAL

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-17 19:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-13 17:46 Fallthrus as full-length symlinks? Valerie Aurora
2009-11-13 18:46 ` Erez Zadok
2009-11-13 19:55   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-17 19:06     ` Valerie Aurora
2009-11-17 19:13   ` Valerie Aurora [this message]
2009-11-17 19:18     ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-17 19:43       ` Valerie Aurora
2009-11-17 20:20         ` Erez Zadok
2009-11-23 18:26           ` Valerie Aurora
2009-11-23 18:44             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-25  2:12               ` Valerie Aurora
2009-11-24 11:18             ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-11-18  5:47 ` hooanon05
2009-11-25  2:15   ` Valerie Aurora
2009-11-25  2:36     ` hooanon05
2009-11-25  9:43       ` David Woodhouse
     [not found] <62b7cf460911151915k12c57c6dne9b49399bd8ce9d5@mail.gmail.com>
2009-11-17  0:57 ` AYAN TYAGI
2009-11-17  6:44   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-17  8:03     ` AYAN TYAGI
2009-11-17 19:47       ` Valerie Aurora

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