From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Steve Rago <sar@nec-labs.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
"jens.axboe" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:59:07 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091222015907.GA6223@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1261232747.1947.194.camel@serenity>
Steve,
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:25:47PM +0800, Steve Rago wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2009-12-19 at 20:20 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 04:17:57PM +0800, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 21:03 -0500, Steve Rago wrote:
> > > > Eager Writeback for NFS Clients
> > > > -------------------------------
> > > > Prevent applications that write large sequential streams of data (like backup, for example)
> > > > from entering into a memory pressure state, which degrades performance by falling back to
> > > > synchronous operations (both synchronous writes and additional commits).
> >
> > What exactly is the "memory pressure state" condition? What's the
> > code to do the "synchronous writes and additional commits" and maybe
> > how they are triggered?
>
> Memory pressure occurs when most of the client pages have been dirtied
> by an application (think backup server writing multi-gigabyte files that
> exceed the size of main memory). The system works harder to be able to
> free dirty pages so that they can be reused. For a local file system,
> this means writing the pages to disk. For NFS, however, the writes
> leave the pages in an "unstable" state until the server responds to a
> commit request. Generally speaking, commit processing is far more
> expensive than write processing on the server; both are done with the
> inode locked, but since the commit takes so long, all writes are
> blocked, which stalls the pipeline.
Let me try reiterate the problem with code, please correct me if I'm
wrong.
1) normal fs sets I_DIRTY_DATASYNC when extending i_size, however NFS
will set the flag for any pages written -- why this trick? To
guarantee the call of nfs_commit_inode()? Which unfortunately turns
almost every server side NFS write into sync writes..
writeback_single_inode:
do_writepages
nfs_writepages
nfs_writepage ----[short time later]---> nfs_writeback_release*
nfs_mark_request_commit
__mark_inode_dirty(I_DIRTY_DATASYNC);
if (I_DIRTY_SYNC || I_DIRTY_DATASYNC) <---- so this will be true for most time
write_inode
nfs_write_inode
nfs_commit_inode
2) NFS commit stops pipeline because it sleep&wait inside i_mutex,
which blocks all other NFSDs trying to write/writeback the inode.
nfsd_sync:
take i_mutex
filemap_fdatawrite
filemap_fdatawait
drop i_mutex
If filemap_fdatawait() can be moved out of i_mutex (or just remove
the lock), we solve the root problem:
nfsd_sync:
[take i_mutex]
filemap_fdatawrite => can also be blocked, but less a problem
[drop i_mutex]
filemap_fdatawait
Maybe it's a dumb question, but what's the purpose of i_mutex here?
For correctness or to prevent livelock? I can imagine some livelock
problem here (current implementation can easily wait for extra
pages), however not too hard to fix.
The proposed patch essentially takes two actions in nfs_file_write()
- to start writeback when the per-file nr_dirty goes high
without committing
- to throttle dirtying when the per-file nr_writeback goes high
I guess this effectively prevents pdflush from kicking in with
its bad committing behavior
In general it's reasonable to keep NFS per-file nr_dirty low, however
questionable to do per-file nr_writeback throttling. This does not
work well with the global limits - eg. when there are many dirty
files, the summed-up nr_writeback will still grow out of control.
And it's more likely to impact user visible responsiveness than
a global limit. But my opinion can be biased -- me have a patch to
do global NFS nr_writeback limit ;)
Thanks,
Fengguang
next parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-22 1:59 UTC|newest]
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[not found] <1261015420.1947.54.camel@serenity>
[not found] ` <1261037877.27920.36.camel@laptop>
[not found] ` <20091219122033.GA11360@localhost>
[not found] ` <1261232747.1947.194.camel@serenity>
2009-12-22 1:59 ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2009-12-22 12:35 ` [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20091222123538.GB604-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-23 8:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20091223084302.GA14912-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-23 13:32 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20091223133244.GB3159-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-24 5:25 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 1:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 16:41 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-24 1:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 14:49 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-25 7:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-23 14:21 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-23 18:05 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20091223180551.GD3159-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-23 19:12 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-24 2:52 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 12:04 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-25 5:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-30 16:22 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-31 5:04 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-31 19:13 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 3:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 16:56 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:26 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 18:52 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 19:21 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:53 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 20:09 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20100106200928.GB22781-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 0/6] " Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <20100106205110.22547.85345.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 5/6] VM: Use per-bdi unstable accounting to improve use of wbc->force_commit Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <20100106205110.22547.32584.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-07 2:34 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 2/6] VM/NFS: The VM must tell the filesystem when to free reclaimable pages Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 2:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-07 4:49 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 5:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-07 5:30 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 14:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 3/6] VM: Split out the accounting of unstable writes from BDI_RECLAIMABLE Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <20100106205110.22547.93554.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-07 1:48 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 6/6] NFS: Run COMMIT as an asynchronous RPC call when wbc->for_background is set Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <20100106205110.22547.31434.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-07 2:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 1/6] VFS: Ensure that writeback_single_inode() commits unstable writes Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <20100106205110.22547.17971.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-06 21:38 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20100106213843.GD22781-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-06 21:48 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 2:18 ` Wu Fengguang
[not found] ` <1262839082.2185.15.camel@localhost>
2010-01-07 4:48 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-07 4:53 ` [PATCH 0/5] Re: [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <20100107045330.5986.55090.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-07 4:53 ` [PATCH 1/5] VFS: Ensure that writeback_single_inode() commits unstable writes Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 4:53 ` [PATCH 2/5] VM: Split out the accounting of unstable writes from BDI_RECLAIMABLE Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 4:53 ` [PATCH 4/5] VM/NFS: The VM must tell the filesystem when to free reclaimable pages Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 4:53 ` [PATCH 5/5] NFS: Run COMMIT as an asynchronous RPC call when wbc->for_background is set Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 4:53 ` [PATCH 3/5] VM: Don't call bdi_stat(BDI_UNSTABLE) on non-nfs backing-devices Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 14:56 ` [PATCH 1/6] VFS: Ensure that writeback_single_inode() commits unstable writes Wu Fengguang
2010-01-07 15:10 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-08 1:17 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-08 1:37 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-08 1:53 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-08 9:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-08 13:46 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-08 13:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-08 14:15 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 4/6] VM: Don't call bdi_stat(BDI_UNSTABLE) on non-nfs backing-devices Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 1:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 21:44 ` [PATCH 0/6] Re: [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads Jan Kara
2010-01-06 22:03 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 8:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
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