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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Quentin Barnes <qbarnes+nfs@yahoo-inc.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] readahead: avoid page-by-page reads on POSIX_FADV_RANDOM
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:39:36 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091231013935.GA6570@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <873a2s8hmp.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 02:02:38AM +0800, Andi Kleen wrote:
> Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com> writes:
> >   * the ra fields can be accessed concurrently in a racy way.
> > --- linux.orig/mm/fadvise.c	2009-12-30 13:02:03.000000000 +0800
> > +++ linux/mm/fadvise.c	2009-12-30 13:23:05.000000000 +0800
> > @@ -77,12 +77,14 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE(fadvise64_64)(int fd, lof
> >  	switch (advice) {
> >  	case POSIX_FADV_NORMAL:
> >  		file->f_ra.ra_pages = bdi->ra_pages;
> > +		file->f_ra.flags &= ~RA_FLAG_RANDOM;
> >  		break;
> >  	case POSIX_FADV_RANDOM:
> > -		file->f_ra.ra_pages = 0;
> > +		file->f_ra.flags |= RA_FLAG_RANDOM;
> 
> What prevents this from racing with a parallel readahead
> state modification, losing the bits?

Oh I pretended that the problem don't exist..

To be serious, the race only exist inside a mutithread application,
where one single fd is shared between two threads, one is doing
fadvise, another doing readahead.

A sane application won't do fadvise(POSIX_FADV_RANDOM) while active
reads are going one concurrently: this leads to indeterminate behavior
by itself -- from which request the random hint takes effect?

fadvise() shall always be in the same streamline with all reads.

In real workloads, 1% applications may do POSIX_FADV_RANDOM, among
which 1% applications may be broken. And if the race does happen, the
impact is very small. So I choose to just ignore the race and use
non-atomic operations..

Thanks,
Fengguang

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-31  1:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20091225000717.GA26949@yahoo-inc.com>
     [not found] ` <87aax18xms.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>
2009-12-30  5:15   ` [RFC][PATCH] Disabling read-ahead makes I/O of large reads small Wu Fengguang
2009-12-30  5:17     ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] readahead: replace ra->mmap_miss with ra->flags Wu Fengguang
2009-12-30  5:24     ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] readahead: avoid page-by-page reads on POSIX_FADV_RANDOM Wu Fengguang
2009-12-30 18:02       ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-31  1:39         ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2009-12-31  2:53           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-31  3:03             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-31  4:31         ` [RFC][PATCH v2] readahead: introduce O_RANDOM_READ for POSIX_FADV_RANDOM Wu Fengguang
2010-01-08 13:08           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-09 13:59             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-09 14:01               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-04  4:50         ` [RFC][PATCH v3] readahead: introduce O_RANDOM " Wu Fengguang
2010-01-04  5:17           ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-04  7:33             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-04 12:56               ` [RFC][PATCH v4] " Wu Fengguang
2010-01-05  2:03                 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-05  2:26                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-05  2:28                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-05  2:45                       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-05  5:21                         ` Eric Paris
2010-01-05  3:18                       ` [RFC][PATCH v5] " Wu Fengguang
2010-01-05  3:27                         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-04 16:50               ` [RFC][PATCH v3] " Quentin Barnes
2010-01-04 18:57                 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-01-04  5:20           ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-04 12:16             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-05  1:46               ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05  2:16                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-05  3:40                   ` Minchan Kim

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