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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Trond Myklebust
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] VFS: Ensure that writeback_single_inode() commits unstable writes
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:53:19 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100108015319.GA9216@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1262914651.2659.110.camel@localhost>

On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 09:37:31AM +0800, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 09:17 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote: 
> > On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 11:10:22PM +0800, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 22:56 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote: 
> > > > On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 12:38:02PM +0800, Myklebust, Trond wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > > diff --git a/fs/nfs/write.c b/fs/nfs/write.c
> > > > > > > index d171696..910be28 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/fs/nfs/write.c
> > > > > > > +++ b/fs/nfs/write.c
> > > > > > > @@ -441,7 +441,7 @@ nfs_mark_request_commit(struct nfs_page *req)
> > > > > > >     spin_unlock(&inode->i_lock);
> > > > > > >     inc_zone_page_state(req->wb_page, NR_UNSTABLE_NFS);
> > > > > > >     inc_bdi_stat(req->wb_page->mapping->backing_dev_info, BDI_RECLAIMABLE);
> > > > > > > -   __mark_inode_dirty(inode, I_DIRTY_DATASYNC);
> > > > > > > +   mark_inode_unstable_pages(inode);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then we shall mark I_DIRTY_DATASYNC on other places that extend i_size.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why? The NFS client itself shouldn't ever set I_DIRTY_DATASYNC after
> > > > > this patch is applied. We won't ever need it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If the VM or VFS is doing it, then they ought to be fixed: there is no
> > > > > reason to assume that all filesystems need to sync their inodes on
> > > > > i_size changes.
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry, one more question.
> > > > 
> > > > It seems to me that you are replacing
> > > > 
> > > >         I_DIRTY_DATASYNC => write_inode()
> > > > with
> > > >         I_UNSTABLE_PAGES => commit_unstable_pages()
> > > > 
> > > > Is that change for the sake of clarity? Or to fix some problem?
> > > > (This patch does fix some problems, but do they inherently require
> > > > the above change?)
> > > 
> > > As I said previously, the write_inode() call is done _before_ you sync
> > > the dirty pages to the server, whereas commit_unstable_pages() wants to
> > > be done _after_ syncing. So the two are not the same, and we cannot
> > > replace commit_unstable_pages() with write_inode().
> > 
> > This is the ordering:
> > 
> > 0       do_writepages()
> > 1       if (I_DIRTY_SYNC | I_DIRTY_DATASYNC)
> > 2               write_inode()
> > 3       if (wait)
> > 4               filemap_fdatawait()
> > 5       if (I_UNSTABLE_PAGES)
> > 6               commit_unstable_pages()
> > 
> > The page is synced to NFS server in line 0.
> > 
> > The only difference is write_inode() is called before filemap_fdatawait(),
> > while commit_unstable_pages() is called after it.
> > 
> > Note that filemap_fdatawait() will only be called on WB_SYNC_ALL, so I
> > still cannot understand the difference..
> 
> The difference is precisely that...

Thanks, I got it.

> In the case of WB_SYNC_ALL we want the call to filemap_fdatawait() to
> occur before we call commit_unstable_pages(), so that we know that all
> the in-flight write rpc calls are done before we ask that they be
> committed to stable storage.

That's good order for WB_SYNC_ALL. However this is optimizing a minor
case, and what I cared is WB_SYNC_NONE :)

> In the case of WB_SYNC_NONE, there is no wait, and so we are forced to
> play games with heuristics and/or add the force_commit_unstable flag
> because we don't wait for the dirty pages to be cleaned. I don't like
> this, but those are the semantics that we've defined for WB_SYNC_NONE.

For WB_SYNC_NONE we will now also wait for WRITE completion with the
combination of NFS_PAGE_TAG_LOCKED-based-bail-out and redirty_tail().
This is retry based, so less elegant.

But that's not the whole story. The
I_UNSTABLE_PAGES+commit_unstable_pages() scheme seems elegant for
WB_SYNC_ALL, however it may break the pipeline for big files in a
perfect loop:
        loop {
                WRITE 4MB
                COMMIT 4MB
        }
While the retry based WB_SYNC_ALL will keep back-off COMMITs because
do_writepages() keep submit new WRITEs. So its loop would be
        loop {
                WRITE 4MB
                <skip COMMIT>
                WRITE 4MB
                <skip COMMIT>
                WRITE 4MB
                <skip COMMIT>
                WRITE 4MB
                <skip COMMIT>
                ...
                <redirty_tail timeout>
                COMMIT 400MB
        }

That can be improved by lifting the writeback chunk size from 4MB to >=128MB.


Thanks,
Fengguang
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-08  1:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1261015420.1947.54.camel@serenity>
     [not found] ` <1261037877.27920.36.camel@laptop>
     [not found]   ` <20091219122033.GA11360@localhost>
     [not found]     ` <1261232747.1947.194.camel@serenity>
2009-12-22  1:59       ` [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 12:35         ` Jan Kara
     [not found]           ` <20091222123538.GB604-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-23  8:43             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]               ` <20091223084302.GA14912-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-23 13:32                 ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                   ` <20091223133244.GB3159-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-24  5:25                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24  1:26           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 16:41         ` Steve Rago
2009-12-24  1:21           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 14:49             ` Steve Rago
2009-12-25  7:37               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-23 14:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-23 18:05           ` Jan Kara
     [not found]             ` <20091223180551.GD3159-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-23 19:12               ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-24  2:52                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 12:04                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-25  5:56                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-30 16:22                       ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-31  5:04                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-31 19:13                           ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06  3:03                             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 16:56                               ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:26                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:37                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 18:52                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:07                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 19:21                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:53                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 20:09                                             ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                                               ` <20100106200928.GB22781-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-06 20:51                                                 ` [PATCH 0/6] " Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                   ` <20100106205110.22547.85345.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-06 20:51                                                     ` [PATCH 5/6] VM: Use per-bdi unstable accounting to improve use of wbc->force_commit Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                       ` <20100106205110.22547.32584.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-07  2:34                                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 20:51                                                     ` [PATCH 2/6] VM/NFS: The VM must tell the filesystem when to free reclaimable pages Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07  2:29                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-07  4:49                                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07  5:03                                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-07  5:30                                                             ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 14:37                                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 20:51                                                     ` [PATCH 3/6] VM: Split out the accounting of unstable writes from BDI_RECLAIMABLE Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                       ` <20100106205110.22547.93554.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-07  1:48                                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 20:51                                                     ` [PATCH 6/6] NFS: Run COMMIT as an asynchronous RPC call when wbc->for_background is set Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                       ` <20100106205110.22547.31434.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-07  2:32                                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 20:51                                                     ` [PATCH 1/6] VFS: Ensure that writeback_single_inode() commits unstable writes Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                       ` <20100106205110.22547.17971.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-06 21:38                                                         ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                                                           ` <20100106213843.GD22781-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-06 21:48                                                             ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07  2:18                                                         ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]                                                           ` <1262839082.2185.15.camel@localhost>
2010-01-07  4:48                                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-07  4:53                                                               ` [PATCH 0/5] Re: [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20100107045330.5986.55090.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-07  4:53                                                                   ` [PATCH 3/5] VM: Don't call bdi_stat(BDI_UNSTABLE) on non-nfs backing-devices Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07  4:53                                                                   ` [PATCH 1/5] VFS: Ensure that writeback_single_inode() commits unstable writes Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07  4:53                                                                   ` [PATCH 5/5] NFS: Run COMMIT as an asynchronous RPC call when wbc->for_background is set Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07  4:53                                                                   ` [PATCH 2/5] VM: Split out the accounting of unstable writes from BDI_RECLAIMABLE Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07  4:53                                                                   ` [PATCH 4/5] VM/NFS: The VM must tell the filesystem when to free reclaimable pages Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07 14:56                                                             ` [PATCH 1/6] VFS: Ensure that writeback_single_inode() commits unstable writes Wu Fengguang
2010-01-07 15:10                                                               ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-08  1:17                                                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-08  1:37                                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-08  1:53                                                                     ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-01-08  9:25                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-08 13:46                                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-08 13:54                                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-08 14:15                                                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 20:51                                                     ` [PATCH 4/6] VM: Don't call bdi_stat(BDI_UNSTABLE) on non-nfs backing-devices Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07  1:56                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 21:44                                                     ` [PATCH 0/6] Re: [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads Jan Kara
2010-01-06 22:03                                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-07  8:16                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra

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