From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: disallow direct reclaim page writeback
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:19:02 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100413111902.GY2493@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100413095815.GU25756@csn.ul.ie>
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:58:15AM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:17:58AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > From: Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
> >
> > When we enter direct reclaim we may have used an arbitrary amount of stack
> > space, and hence enterring the filesystem to do writeback can then lead to
> > stack overruns. This problem was recently encountered x86_64 systems with
> > 8k stacks running XFS with simple storage configurations.
> >
> > Writeback from direct reclaim also adversely affects background writeback. The
> > background flusher threads should already be taking care of cleaning dirty
> > pages, and direct reclaim will kick them if they aren't already doing work. If
> > direct reclaim is also calling ->writepage, it will cause the IO patterns from
> > the background flusher threads to be upset by LRU-order writeback from
> > pageout() which can be effectively random IO. Having competing sources of IO
> > trying to clean pages on the same backing device reduces throughput by
> > increasing the amount of seeks that the backing device has to do to write back
> > the pages.
> >
>
> It's already known that the VM requesting specific pages be cleaned and
> reclaimed is a bad IO pattern but unfortunately it is still required by
> lumpy reclaim. This change would appear to break that although I haven't
> tested it to be 100% sure.
How do you test it? I'd really like to be able to test this myself....
> Even without high-order considerations, this patch would appear to make
> fairly large changes to how direct reclaim behaves. It would no longer
> wait on page writeback for example so direct reclaim will return sooner
AFAICT it still waits for pages under writeback in exactly the same manner
it does now. shrink_page_list() does the following completely
separately to the sc->may_writepage flag:
666 may_enter_fs = (sc->gfp_mask & __GFP_FS) ||
667 (PageSwapCache(page) && (sc->gfp_mask & __GFP_IO));
668
669 if (PageWriteback(page)) {
670 /*
671 * Synchronous reclaim is performed in two passes,
672 * first an asynchronous pass over the list to
673 * start parallel writeback, and a second synchronous
674 * pass to wait for the IO to complete. Wait here
675 * for any page for which writeback has already
676 * started.
677 */
678 if (sync_writeback == PAGEOUT_IO_SYNC && may_enter_fs)
679 wait_on_page_writeback(page);
680 else
681 goto keep_locked;
682 }
So if the page is under writeback, PAGEOUT_IO_SYNC is set and
we can enter the fs, it will still wait for writeback to complete
just like it does now.
However, the current code only uses PAGEOUT_IO_SYNC in lumpy
reclaim, so for most typical workloads direct reclaim does not wait
on page writeback, either. Hence, this patch doesn't appear to
change the actions taken on a page under writeback in direct
reclaim....
> than it did potentially going OOM if there were a lot of dirty pages and
> it made no progress during direct reclaim.
I did a fair bit of low/small memory testing. This is a subjective
observation, but I definitely seemed to get less severe OOM
situations and better overall responisveness with this patch than
compared to when direct reclaim was doing writeback.
> > Hence for direct reclaim we should not allow ->writepages to be entered at all.
> > Set up the relevant scan_control structures to enforce this, and prevent
> > sc->may_writepage from being set in other places in the direct reclaim path in
> > response to other events.
> >
>
> If an FS caller cannot re-enter the FS, it should be using GFP_NOFS
> instead of GFP_KERNEL.
This problem is not a filesystem recursion problem which is, as I
understand it, what GFP_NOFS is used to prevent. It's _any_ kernel
code that uses signficant stack before trying to allocate memory
that is the problem. e.g a select() system call:
Depth Size Location (47 entries)
----- ---- --------
0) 7568 16 mempool_alloc_slab+0x16/0x20
1) 7552 144 mempool_alloc+0x65/0x140
2) 7408 96 get_request+0x124/0x370
3) 7312 144 get_request_wait+0x29/0x1b0
4) 7168 96 __make_request+0x9b/0x490
5) 7072 208 generic_make_request+0x3df/0x4d0
6) 6864 80 submit_bio+0x7c/0x100
7) 6784 96 _xfs_buf_ioapply+0x128/0x2c0 [xfs]
....
32) 3184 64 xfs_vm_writepage+0xab/0x160 [xfs]
33) 3120 384 shrink_page_list+0x65e/0x840
34) 2736 528 shrink_zone+0x63f/0xe10
35) 2208 112 do_try_to_free_pages+0xc2/0x3c0
36) 2096 128 try_to_free_pages+0x77/0x80
37) 1968 240 __alloc_pages_nodemask+0x3e4/0x710
38) 1728 48 alloc_pages_current+0x8c/0xe0
39) 1680 16 __get_free_pages+0xe/0x50
40) 1664 48 __pollwait+0xca/0x110
41) 1616 32 unix_poll+0x28/0xc0
42) 1584 16 sock_poll+0x1d/0x20
43) 1568 912 do_select+0x3d6/0x700
44) 656 416 core_sys_select+0x18c/0x2c0
45) 240 112 sys_select+0x4f/0x110
46) 128 128 system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
There's 1.6k of stack used before memory allocation is called, 3.1k
used there before ->writepage is entered, XFS used 3.5k, and
if the mempool needed to allocate a page it would have blown the
stack. If there was any significant storage subsystem (add dm, md
and/or scsi of some kind), it would have blown the stack.
Basically, there is not enough stack space available to allow direct
reclaim to enter ->writepage _anywhere_ according to the stack usage
profiles we are seeing here....
Cheers,
Dave.
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Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
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Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-13 0:17 [PATCH] mm: disallow direct reclaim page writeback Dave Chinner
2010-04-13 8:31 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-13 10:29 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-13 11:39 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-13 14:36 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14 3:12 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14 6:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 1:56 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14 6:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-14 7:36 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-13 9:58 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-13 11:19 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2010-04-13 19:34 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-13 20:20 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-14 1:40 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14 4:59 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-14 5:41 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14 5:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-14 6:13 ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-14 7:19 ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-14 9:42 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-14 10:01 ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-14 10:07 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-14 10:16 ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-14 7:06 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14 6:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-14 7:28 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14 8:51 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 1:34 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15 4:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 4:11 ` [PATCH 1/4] vmscan: delegate pageout io to flusher thread if current is kswapd KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 8:05 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2010-04-15 8:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 8:26 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 10:30 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-15 17:24 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2010-04-20 2:56 ` Ying Han
2010-04-15 9:32 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15 9:41 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 17:27 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2010-04-15 23:33 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15 23:41 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2010-04-16 9:50 ` Alan Cox
2010-04-17 3:06 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15 8:18 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 10:31 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 11:26 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 4:13 ` [PATCH 2/4] vmscan: kill prev_priority completely KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 4:14 ` [PATCH 3/4] vmscan: move priority variable into scan_control KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 4:15 ` [PATCH 4/4] vmscan: delegate page cleaning io to flusher thread if VM pressure is low KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 4:35 ` [PATCH] mm: disallow direct reclaim page writeback KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 6:32 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15 6:44 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 6:58 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15 6:20 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15 6:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 8:54 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15 10:21 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 10:23 ` [PATCH 1/4] vmscan: simplify shrink_inactive_list() KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 13:15 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 15:01 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-15 15:44 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 16:54 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-15 23:40 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-16 7:13 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-16 14:57 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-17 2:37 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-16 14:55 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 18:22 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-04-16 9:39 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 10:24 ` [PATCH 2/4] [cleanup] mm: introduce free_pages_prepare KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 13:33 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 10:24 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: introduce free_pages_bulk KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 13:46 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 10:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] vmscan: replace the pagevec in shrink_inactive_list() with list KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 10:28 ` [PATCH] mm: disallow direct reclaim page writeback Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 13:42 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-15 17:50 ` tytso
2010-04-16 15:05 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20100416150510.GL19264@csn.ul.ie>
2010-04-19 15:15 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20100419151511.GV19264@csn.ul.ie>
2010-04-19 17:38 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-16 4:14 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-16 15:14 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-18 0:32 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-18 19:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-04-18 16:31 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-18 19:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-04-18 19:11 ` Sorin Faibish
2010-04-18 19:10 ` Sorin Faibish
2010-04-18 21:30 ` James Bottomley
2010-04-18 23:34 ` Sorin Faibish
2010-04-19 3:08 ` tytso
2010-04-19 0:35 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-19 0:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-19 1:08 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-19 4:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-19 15:20 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-23 1:06 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-23 10:50 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 14:57 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-15 2:37 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-15 2:43 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-16 23:56 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-14 6:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-14 10:06 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-14 11:20 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-14 12:15 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-14 12:32 ` Alan Cox
2010-04-14 12:34 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-14 13:23 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-14 14:07 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-14 0:24 ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-14 4:44 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14 7:54 ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-16 1:13 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-16 4:18 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
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