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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: readahead on directories
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:56:57 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100421185657.GA21249@ioremap.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100421185124.GM27575@shareable.org>

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 07:51:24PM +0100, Jamie Lokier (jamie@shareable.org) wrote:
> Fwiw, I found sorting directories by inode and reading them in that
> order help to reduce seeks, some 10 years ago.  I implemented
> something like 'find' which works like that, keeping a queue of
> directories to read and things to open/stat, ordered by inode number
> seen in d_ino before open/stat and st_ino after.  However it did not
> try to readahead the blocks inside a directory, or sort operations by
> block number.  It reduced some 'find'-like operations to about a
> quarter of the time on cold cache.  I still use that program sometimes
> before "git status" ;-)  Google "treescan" and "lokier" if you're
> interested in trying it (though I use 0.7 which isn't published).

As you might expect it is not really a directory readahead :)
Nad I'm not really sure ext234 can implement it in kernel more optimally
without breaking backward compatibility though.

> > it is not about readdir(). Plain read() is synchronous too. But
> > filesystem can respond to readahead calls and read next block to current
> > one, while it won't do this for next direntry.
> 
> I'm surprised it makes much difference, as directories are usually not
> very large anyway.

Well, having several tens of millions of files in 64k dirs takes from tens of
seconds to minutes to read just because of that.

> But if it does, go on, try FIEMAP and blockdev reading, you know you
> want to :-)

Well, it requires substantial underlying fs knowledge and is not simple
and, well, appropriate to do in some cases.

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-21 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-19 15:51 readahead on directories Phillip Susi
2010-04-21  0:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-21 14:57   ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 16:12     ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-21 18:10       ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 20:22         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-21 20:59           ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 22:06             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-22  7:01               ` Brad Boyer
2010-04-22 14:26               ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-22 17:53                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-22 19:23                   ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-22 20:35                     ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-22 21:22                       ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-22 22:43                         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-23  4:13                           ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 18:38       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2010-04-21 18:51         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-21 18:56           ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2010-04-21 20:02             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-21 20:21               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2010-04-21 20:39                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-21 19:23           ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 20:01             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-21 20:13               ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 20:37                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-07 13:38 ` unified page and buffer cache? (was: readahead on directories) Phillip Susi
2010-05-07 13:53   ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-05-07 15:45     ` unified page and buffer cache? Phillip Susi
2010-05-07 18:30       ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-05-08  0:50         ` Phillip Susi
2010-05-08  0:46       ` tytso
2010-05-08  0:54         ` Phillip Susi
2010-05-08 12:52           ` tytso

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