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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Christof Schmitt <christof.schmitt@de.ibm.com>,
	Boaz Harrosh <bharro
Subject: Re: Wrong DIF guard tag on ext2 write
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:20:30 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100602032030.GF9453@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100601193528.GV8980@think>

On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 03:35:28PM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 04:46:49AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 02:09:05PM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 04:54:53PM +0000, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > 
> > > > For self
> > > > induced errors (as long as we can detect them) I think we can just
> > > > forget about it ... if the changed page is important, the I/O request
> > > > gets repeated (modulo the problem of too great a frequency of changes
> > > > leading to us never successfully writing it) or it gets dropped because
> > > > the file was truncated or the data deleted for some other reason.
> > > 
> > > Sorry, how can we tell the errors that are self induced from the evil
> > > bit flipping cable induced errors?
> > 
> > Block layer should retry it with bounce pages. That would be a lot nicer
> > than forcing all upper layers to avoid the problem.
> > 
> 
> So the idea is that we have sent down a buffer and it changed in flight.
> The block layer is going to say: oh look, the crcs don't match, I'll
> bounce it, recrc it and send again.  But, there are at least 3 reasons the crc
> will change:
> 
> 1) filesystem changed it
> 2) corruption on the wire or in the raid controller
> 3) the page was corrupted while the IO layer was doing the IO.
> 
> 1 and 2 are easy, we bounce, retry and everyone continues on with
> their lives.  With #3, we'll recrc and send the IO down again thinking
> the data is correct when really we're writing garbage.
> 
> How can we tell these three cases apart?

Do we really need to handle #3? It could have happened before the
checksum was calculated.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-02  3:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-31 11:28 Wrong DIF guard tag on ext2 write Christof Schmitt
2010-05-31 11:34 ` Christof Schmitt
2010-05-31 14:20 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-05-31 14:46   ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-01 13:16     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-02 13:37       ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-02 23:20         ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-04  1:34           ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-04  2:32             ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-07 16:20               ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-07 17:22                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-07 17:40                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-08  7:15                     ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-08  8:47                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-08  8:52                         ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-31 14:49   ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-01 13:17     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-05-31 15:01   ` James Bottomley
2010-05-31 15:30     ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-05-31 15:49       ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-31 16:25         ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-01 13:22         ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-01 10:30       ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-01 10:49         ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-01 13:03         ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 13:50           ` Christof Schmitt
     [not found]           ` <20100601135059.GA21008@schmichrtp.mainz.de.ibm.com>
2010-06-01 13:58             ` Chris Mason
2010-06-08  7:18               ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-01 14:26             ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-01 13:27         ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 13:33           ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 13:40             ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 13:49               ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 16:29                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-06-01 16:47                   ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 16:54                     ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 18:09                       ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 18:46                         ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                         ` <20100601184649.GE9453@laptop>
2010-06-01 19:35                           ` Chris Mason
2010-06-02  3:20                             ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2010-06-02 13:17                               ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-02 13:41                                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-03 15:46                                   ` Chris Mason
2010-06-03 16:27                                     ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                                     ` <20100603162718.GR6822@laptop>
2010-06-04  1:46                                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-04  3:09                                         ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-04  2:02                                     ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                                     ` <20100604020243.GE19651@dastard>
2010-06-04 15:32                                       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-04  1:30                                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-01 21:07                         ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 22:49                           ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 13:50               ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-01 14:28                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-01 14:32                 ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 14:54                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-03 11:20           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-03 12:07             ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-03 12:41               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-03 12:46                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-09 15:58                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-03 13:06                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-03 13:23                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-23 17:59             ` Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-07-23 19:16               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-23 20:51                 ` Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-07-26 12:22                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-26 17:00                     ` Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-07-26 19:26                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-24  1:03                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-01  2:40     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-06-03 16:09 ` [LFS/VM TOPIC] Stable pages while IO (was Wrong DIF guard tag on ext2 write) Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-03 16:30   ` [Lsf10-pc] " J. Bruce Fields
2010-06-03 17:41   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-04 16:23   ` Jan Kara
2010-06-04 16:30     ` [Lsf10-pc] " J. Bruce Fields
2010-06-04 17:11       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-06  9:35     ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-06 23:37       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-07  8:30         ` Boaz Harrosh

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