From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
Christof Schmitt <christof.schmitt@de.ibm.com>,
Boaz Harrosh <bharro
Subject: Re: Wrong DIF guard tag on ext2 write
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:20:30 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100602032030.GF9453@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100601193528.GV8980@think>
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 03:35:28PM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 04:46:49AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 02:09:05PM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 04:54:53PM +0000, James Bottomley wrote:
> > >
> > > > For self
> > > > induced errors (as long as we can detect them) I think we can just
> > > > forget about it ... if the changed page is important, the I/O request
> > > > gets repeated (modulo the problem of too great a frequency of changes
> > > > leading to us never successfully writing it) or it gets dropped because
> > > > the file was truncated or the data deleted for some other reason.
> > >
> > > Sorry, how can we tell the errors that are self induced from the evil
> > > bit flipping cable induced errors?
> >
> > Block layer should retry it with bounce pages. That would be a lot nicer
> > than forcing all upper layers to avoid the problem.
> >
>
> So the idea is that we have sent down a buffer and it changed in flight.
> The block layer is going to say: oh look, the crcs don't match, I'll
> bounce it, recrc it and send again. But, there are at least 3 reasons the crc
> will change:
>
> 1) filesystem changed it
> 2) corruption on the wire or in the raid controller
> 3) the page was corrupted while the IO layer was doing the IO.
>
> 1 and 2 are easy, we bounce, retry and everyone continues on with
> their lives. With #3, we'll recrc and send the IO down again thinking
> the data is correct when really we're writing garbage.
>
> How can we tell these three cases apart?
Do we really need to handle #3? It could have happened before the
checksum was calculated.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-06-02 3:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-31 11:28 Wrong DIF guard tag on ext2 write Christof Schmitt
2010-05-31 11:34 ` Christof Schmitt
2010-05-31 14:20 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-05-31 14:46 ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-01 13:16 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-02 13:37 ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-02 23:20 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-04 1:34 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-04 2:32 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-07 16:20 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-07 17:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-07 17:40 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-08 7:15 ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-08 8:47 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-08 8:52 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-31 14:49 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-01 13:17 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-05-31 15:01 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-31 15:30 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-05-31 15:49 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-31 16:25 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-01 13:22 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-01 10:30 ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-01 10:49 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-01 13:03 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 13:50 ` Christof Schmitt
[not found] ` <20100601135059.GA21008@schmichrtp.mainz.de.ibm.com>
2010-06-01 13:58 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-08 7:18 ` Christof Schmitt
2010-06-01 14:26 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-01 13:27 ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 13:33 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 13:40 ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 13:49 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 16:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-06-01 16:47 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 16:54 ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 18:09 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 18:46 ` Nick Piggin
[not found] ` <20100601184649.GE9453@laptop>
2010-06-01 19:35 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-02 3:20 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2010-06-02 13:17 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-02 13:41 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-03 15:46 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-03 16:27 ` Nick Piggin
[not found] ` <20100603162718.GR6822@laptop>
2010-06-04 1:46 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-04 3:09 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-04 2:02 ` Dave Chinner
[not found] ` <20100604020243.GE19651@dastard>
2010-06-04 15:32 ` Jan Kara
2010-06-04 1:30 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-01 21:07 ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 22:49 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-01 13:50 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-01 14:28 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-01 14:32 ` James Bottomley
2010-06-01 14:54 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-06-03 11:20 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-03 12:07 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-03 12:41 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-03 12:46 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-09 15:58 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-03 13:06 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-03 13:23 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-23 17:59 ` Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-07-23 19:16 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-23 20:51 ` Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-07-26 12:22 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-26 17:00 ` Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-07-26 19:26 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-24 1:03 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-01 2:40 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-06-03 16:09 ` [LFS/VM TOPIC] Stable pages while IO (was Wrong DIF guard tag on ext2 write) Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-03 16:30 ` [Lsf10-pc] " J. Bruce Fields
2010-06-03 17:41 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-06-04 16:23 ` Jan Kara
2010-06-04 16:30 ` [Lsf10-pc] " J. Bruce Fields
2010-06-04 17:11 ` Jan Kara
2010-06-06 9:35 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-06 23:37 ` Jan Kara
2010-06-07 8:30 ` Boaz Harrosh
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