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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/12] vmscan: Write out dirty pages in batch
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:12:42 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100615051242.GD6138@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100614213732.034b4a13.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 09:37:32PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:08:14 -0400 Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 06/14/2010 09:45 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:16:29 -0400 Rik van Riel<riel@redhat.com>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Would it be hard to add a "please flush this file"
> > >> way to call the filesystem flushing threads?
> > >
> > > Passing the igrab()bed inode into the flusher threads would fix the
> > > iput_final() problems, as long as the alloc_pages() caller never blocks
> > > indefinitely waiting for the work which the flusher threads are doing.
> > >
> > > Otherwise we get (very hard-to-hit) deadlocks where the alloc_pages()
> > > caller holds VFS locks and is waiting for the flusher threads while all
> > > the flusher threads are stuck under iput_final() waiting for those VFS
> > > locks.
> > >
> > > That's fixable by not using igrab()/iput().  You can use lock_page() to
> > > pin the address_space.  Pass the address of the locked page across to
> > > the flusher threads so they don't try to lock it a second time, or just
> > > use trylocking on that writeback path or whatever.
> > 
> > Any thread that does not have __GFP_FS set in its gfp_mask
> > cannot wait for the flusher to complete. This is regardless
> > of the mechanism used to kick the flusher.
> 
> mm...  kinda.  A bare order-zero __GFP_WAIT allocation can still wait
> forever, afaict.
> 
> > Then again, those threads cannot call ->writepage today
> > either, so we should be fine keeping that behaviour.
> 
> I'm not sure.  iput_final() can take a lot of locks, both VFS and
> heaven knows what within the individual filesystems.  Is it the case
> that all allocations which occur under all of those locks is always
> !__GFP_FS?  Hard to say...

__GFP_FS is set with i_mutex held in places, and there is nothing to
prevent a filesystem from using that in iput_final paths, AFAIK.

 
> > Threads that do have __GFP_FS in their gfp_mask can wait
> > for the flusher in various ways.  Maybe the lock_page()
> > method can be simplified by having the flusher thread
> > unlock the page the moment it gets it, and then run the
> > normal flusher code?
> 
> Well, _something_ has to pin the address_space.  A single locked page
> will do.
> 
> > The pageout code (in shrink_page_list) already unlocks
> > the page anyway before putting it back on the relevant
> > LRU list.  It would be easy enough to skip that unlock
> > and let the flusher thread take care of it.
> 
> Once that page is unlocked, we can't touch *mapping - its inode can be
> concurrently reclaimed.  Although I guess the technique in
> handle_write_error() can be reused.

Nasty. That guy needs to be using lock_page_nosync().

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-15  5:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-14 11:17 [PATCH 0/12] Avoid overflowing of stack during page reclaim V2 Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 01/12] tracing, vmscan: Add trace events for kswapd wakeup, sleeping and direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 15:45   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:01   ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 02/12] tracing, vmscan: Add trace events for LRU page isolation Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 16:47   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:02   ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 03/12] tracing, vmscan: Add trace event when a page is written Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 16:48   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:02   ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 04/12] tracing, vmscan: Add a postprocessing script for reclaim-related ftrace events Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 17:55   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:03   ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 05/12] vmscan: kill prev_priority completely Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:04   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16 23:37   ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-16 23:45     ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-17  0:18       ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-17  0:34         ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-25  8:29     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-28 10:35       ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 06/12] vmscan: simplify shrink_inactive_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:06   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 10:13     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 07/12] vmscan: Remove unnecessary temporary vars in do_try_to_free_pages Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:14   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 08/12] vmscan: Setup pagevec as late as possible in shrink_inactive_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:59   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 10:47   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 15:56     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-16 23:43   ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-17 10:30     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 09/12] vmscan: Setup pagevec as late as possible in shrink_page_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 19:24   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16 23:48   ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-17 10:46     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 10/12] vmscan: Update isolated page counters outside of main path in shrink_inactive_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 19:42   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 11/12] vmscan: Write out dirty pages in batch Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 21:13   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 10:18     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 23:11   ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-14 23:21     ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15  0:39       ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-15  1:16         ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15  1:45           ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15  4:08             ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15  4:37               ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15  5:12                 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2010-06-15  5:43                   ` [patch] mm: vmscan fix mapping use after free Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 13:23                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 11:01           ` [PATCH 11/12] vmscan: Write out dirty pages in batch Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 13:32             ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15  1:39         ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15  3:20           ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-15  4:15             ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15  6:36               ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-15 10:28                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2010-06-15 10:55                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 11:10                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:20                       ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 23:20                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-16  6:04                       ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 11:08                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:43               ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 13:07                 ` tytso
2010-06-15 15:44                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 10:57       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 10:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:11     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 11:13     ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 12/12] vmscan: Do not writeback pages in direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 21:55   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 11:45     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 13:34       ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 13:37         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 13:54           ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-16  0:30             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-15 14:02           ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 13:59         ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 14:04           ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 14:16             ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-16  0:17               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16  0:29                 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16  0:39                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16  0:53                     ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16  1:40                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16  2:20                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16  5:11                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-16 10:51                             ` Jens Axboe
2010-06-16  5:07                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-16  5:06                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-17  0:25                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-17  6:16                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-17  6:23                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14 15:10 ` [PATCH 0/12] Avoid overflowing of stack during page reclaim V2 Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:45   ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15  0:08 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-15 11:49   ` Mel Gorman

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