From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] vmscan: Kick flusher threads to clean pages when reclaim is encountering dirty pages
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:26:16 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100726092616.GG5300@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100726072832.GB13076@localhost>
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 03:28:32PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 09:11:30PM +0800, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > There are a number of cases where pages get cleaned but two of concern
> > to this patch are;
> > o When dirtying pages, processes may be throttled to clean pages if
> > dirty_ratio is not met.
> > o Pages belonging to inodes dirtied longer than
> > dirty_writeback_centisecs get cleaned.
> >
> > The problem for reclaim is that dirty pages can reach the end of the LRU
> > if pages are being dirtied slowly so that neither the throttling cleans
> > them or a flusher thread waking periodically.
> >
> > Background flush is already cleaning old or expired inodes first but the
> > expire time is too far in the future at the time of page reclaim. To mitigate
> > future problems, this patch wakes flusher threads to clean 1.5 times the
> > number of dirty pages encountered by reclaimers. The reasoning is that pages
> > were being dirtied at a roughly constant rate recently so if N dirty pages
> > were encountered in this scan block, we are likely to see roughly N dirty
> > pages again soon so try keep the flusher threads ahead of reclaim.
> >
> > This is unfortunately very hand-wavy but there is not really a good way of
> > quantifying how bad it is when reclaim encounters dirty pages other than
> > "down with that sort of thing". Similarly, there is not an obvious way of
> > figuring how what percentage of dirty pages are old in terms of LRU-age and
> > should be cleaned. Ideally, the background flushers would only be cleaning
> > pages belonging to the zone being scanned but it's not clear if this would
> > be of benefit (less IO) or not (potentially less efficient IO if an inode
> > is scattered across multiple zones).
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
> > ---
> > mm/vmscan.c | 18 +++++++++++-------
> > 1 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > index bc50937..5763719 100644
> > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> > @@ -806,6 +806,8 @@ restart_dirty:
> > }
> >
> > if (PageDirty(page)) {
> > + nr_dirty++;
> > +
> > /*
> > * If the caller cannot writeback pages, dirty pages
> > * are put on a separate list for cleaning by either
> > @@ -814,7 +816,6 @@ restart_dirty:
> > if (!reclaim_can_writeback(sc, page)) {
> > list_add(&page->lru, &dirty_pages);
> > unlock_page(page);
> > - nr_dirty++;
> > goto keep_dirty;
> > }
> >
> > @@ -933,13 +934,16 @@ keep_dirty:
> > VM_BUG_ON(PageLRU(page) || PageUnevictable(page));
> > }
> >
> > + /*
> > + * If reclaim is encountering dirty pages, it may be because
> > + * dirty pages are reaching the end of the LRU even though
> > + * the dirty_ratio may be satisified. In this case, wake
> > + * flusher threads to pro-actively clean some pages
> > + */
> > + wakeup_flusher_threads(laptop_mode ? 0 : nr_dirty + nr_dirty / 2);
>
> Ah it's very possible that nr_dirty==0 here! Then you are hitting the
> number of dirty pages down to 0 whether or not pageout() is called.
>
True, this has been fixed to only wakeup flusher threads when this is
the file LRU, dirty pages have been encountered and the caller has
sc->may_writepage.
> Another minor issue is, the passed (nr_dirty + nr_dirty / 2) is
> normally a small number, much smaller than MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES.
> The flusher will sync at least MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES pages, this is good
> for efficiency.
> And it seems good to let the flusher write much more
> than nr_dirty pages to safeguard a reasonable large
> vmscan-head-to-first-dirty-LRU-page margin. So it would be enough to
> update the comments.
>
Ok, the reasoning had been to flush a number of pages that was related
to the scanning rate but if that is inefficient for the flusher, I'll
use MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES.
Thanks
--
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-07-26 9:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-19 13:11 [PATCH 0/8] Reduce writeback from page reclaim context V4 Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 1/8] vmscan: tracing: Roll up of patches currently in mmotm Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 2/8] vmscan: tracing: Update trace event to track if page reclaim IO is for anon or file pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:24 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 14:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:24 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 3/8] vmscan: tracing: Update post-processing script to distinguish between anon and file IO from page reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:32 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 4/8] vmscan: Do not writeback filesystem pages in direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:26 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 18:25 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 22:14 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-20 13:45 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-20 22:02 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 11:36 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 11:52 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 12:01 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-07-21 14:27 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 23:57 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-07-22 9:19 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-22 9:22 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-07-21 13:04 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 13:38 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 14:28 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 14:31 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 14:39 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 15:06 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 8:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 9:12 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 11:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 12:53 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 13:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 5/8] fs,btrfs: Allow kswapd to writeback pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 18:27 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 6/8] fs,xfs: " Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 7/8] writeback: sync old inodes first in background writeback Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:40 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-22 8:52 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 9:02 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 9:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 10:48 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-23 9:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-23 10:57 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-23 11:49 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-23 12:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-25 10:43 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-07-25 12:03 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-26 3:27 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 4:11 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-26 4:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 16:30 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-26 22:48 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 3:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 3:11 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-26 3:17 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 15:34 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 11:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 9:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-23 8:33 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 1:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-19 18:43 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 8/8] vmscan: Kick flusher threads to clean pages when reclaim is encountering dirty pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:37 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 22:48 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-20 14:10 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-20 22:05 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-19 18:59 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 22:26 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-26 7:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 9:26 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-07-26 11:27 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 12:57 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 13:10 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-27 13:35 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-27 14:24 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-27 14:34 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-27 14:40 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-27 14:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-27 14:38 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-27 15:21 ` Wu Fengguang
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