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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
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	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] vmscan: Kick flusher threads to clean pages when reclaim is encountering dirty pages
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:10:08 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100726131008.GE11947@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100726125717.GS5300@csn.ul.ie>

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 08:57:17PM +0800, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 07:27:09PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > > @@ -933,13 +934,16 @@ keep_dirty:
> > > > >  		VM_BUG_ON(PageLRU(page) || PageUnevictable(page));
> > > > >  	}
> > > > >  
> > > > > +	/*
> > > > > +	 * If reclaim is encountering dirty pages, it may be because
> > > > > +	 * dirty pages are reaching the end of the LRU even though
> > > > > +	 * the dirty_ratio may be satisified. In this case, wake
> > > > > +	 * flusher threads to pro-actively clean some pages
> > > > > +	 */
> > > > > +	wakeup_flusher_threads(laptop_mode ? 0 : nr_dirty + nr_dirty / 2);
> > > > 
> > > > Ah it's very possible that nr_dirty==0 here! Then you are hitting the
> > > > number of dirty pages down to 0 whether or not pageout() is called.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > True, this has been fixed to only wakeup flusher threads when this is
> > > the file LRU, dirty pages have been encountered and the caller has
> > > sc->may_writepage.
> > 
> > OK.
> > 
> > > > Another minor issue is, the passed (nr_dirty + nr_dirty / 2) is
> > > > normally a small number, much smaller than MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES.
> > > > The flusher will sync at least MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES pages, this is good
> > > > for efficiency.
> > > > And it seems good to let the flusher write much more
> > > > than nr_dirty pages to safeguard a reasonable large
> > > > vmscan-head-to-first-dirty-LRU-page margin. So it would be enough to
> > > > update the comments.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok, the reasoning had been to flush a number of pages that was related
> > > to the scanning rate but if that is inefficient for the flusher, I'll
> > > use MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES.
> > 
> > It would be better to pass something like (nr_dirty * N).
> > MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES may be increased to 128MB in the future, which is
> > obviously too large as a parameter. When the batch size is increased
> > to 128MB, the writeback code may be improved somehow to not exceed the
> > nr_pages limit too much.
> > 
> 
> What might be a useful value for N? 1.5 appears to work reasonably well
> to create a window of writeback ahead of the scanner but it's a bit
> arbitrary.

I'd recommend N to be a large value. It's no longer relevant now since
we'll call the flusher to sync some range containing the target page.
The flusher will then choose an N large enough (eg. 4MB) for efficient
IO. It needs to be a large value, otherwise the vmscan code will
quickly run into dirty pages again..

Thanks,
Fengguang

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-26 13:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-19 13:11 [PATCH 0/8] Reduce writeback from page reclaim context V4 Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 1/8] vmscan: tracing: Roll up of patches currently in mmotm Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 2/8] vmscan: tracing: Update trace event to track if page reclaim IO is for anon or file pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:24   ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 14:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:24     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:26       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 3/8] vmscan: tracing: Update post-processing script to distinguish between anon and file IO from page reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:32   ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 4/8] vmscan: Do not writeback filesystem pages in direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:19   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:26     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 18:25   ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 22:14   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-20 13:45     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-20 22:02       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 11:36         ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 11:52         ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 12:01           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-07-21 14:27             ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 23:57               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-07-22  9:19                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-22  9:22                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-07-21 13:04           ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 13:38             ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 14:28               ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 14:31                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 14:39                   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 15:06                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26  8:29               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26  9:12                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 11:19                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 12:53                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 13:03                       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 5/8] fs,btrfs: Allow kswapd to writeback pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 18:27   ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 6/8] fs,xfs: " Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:20   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:43     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 7/8] writeback: sync old inodes first in background writeback Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:40     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:48       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-22  8:52       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22  9:02         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22  9:21         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 10:48           ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-23  9:45             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-23 10:57               ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-23 11:49                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-23 12:20                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-25 10:43                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-07-25 12:03                   ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-26  3:27                     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26  4:11                       ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-26  4:37                         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 16:30                           ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-26 22:48                             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26  3:08                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26  3:11                     ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-26  3:17                       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 15:34           ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 11:59             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22  9:42         ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-23  8:33           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22  1:13     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-19 18:43   ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 8/8] vmscan: Kick flusher threads to clean pages when reclaim is encountering dirty pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:37     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 22:48       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-20 14:10         ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-20 22:05           ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-19 18:59   ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 22:26   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-26  7:28   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26  9:26     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 11:27       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 12:57         ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 13:10           ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-07-27 13:35             ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-27 14:24               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-27 14:34                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-27 14:40                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-27 14:55                     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-27 14:38                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-27 15:21                   ` Wu Fengguang

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