From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] vmscan: Kick flusher threads to clean pages when reclaim is encountering dirty pages
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:10:08 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100726131008.GE11947@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100726125717.GS5300@csn.ul.ie>
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 08:57:17PM +0800, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 07:27:09PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > > @@ -933,13 +934,16 @@ keep_dirty:
> > > > > VM_BUG_ON(PageLRU(page) || PageUnevictable(page));
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > + /*
> > > > > + * If reclaim is encountering dirty pages, it may be because
> > > > > + * dirty pages are reaching the end of the LRU even though
> > > > > + * the dirty_ratio may be satisified. In this case, wake
> > > > > + * flusher threads to pro-actively clean some pages
> > > > > + */
> > > > > + wakeup_flusher_threads(laptop_mode ? 0 : nr_dirty + nr_dirty / 2);
> > > >
> > > > Ah it's very possible that nr_dirty==0 here! Then you are hitting the
> > > > number of dirty pages down to 0 whether or not pageout() is called.
> > > >
> > >
> > > True, this has been fixed to only wakeup flusher threads when this is
> > > the file LRU, dirty pages have been encountered and the caller has
> > > sc->may_writepage.
> >
> > OK.
> >
> > > > Another minor issue is, the passed (nr_dirty + nr_dirty / 2) is
> > > > normally a small number, much smaller than MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES.
> > > > The flusher will sync at least MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES pages, this is good
> > > > for efficiency.
> > > > And it seems good to let the flusher write much more
> > > > than nr_dirty pages to safeguard a reasonable large
> > > > vmscan-head-to-first-dirty-LRU-page margin. So it would be enough to
> > > > update the comments.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ok, the reasoning had been to flush a number of pages that was related
> > > to the scanning rate but if that is inefficient for the flusher, I'll
> > > use MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES.
> >
> > It would be better to pass something like (nr_dirty * N).
> > MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES may be increased to 128MB in the future, which is
> > obviously too large as a parameter. When the batch size is increased
> > to 128MB, the writeback code may be improved somehow to not exceed the
> > nr_pages limit too much.
> >
>
> What might be a useful value for N? 1.5 appears to work reasonably well
> to create a window of writeback ahead of the scanner but it's a bit
> arbitrary.
I'd recommend N to be a large value. It's no longer relevant now since
we'll call the flusher to sync some range containing the target page.
The flusher will then choose an N large enough (eg. 4MB) for efficient
IO. It needs to be a large value, otherwise the vmscan code will
quickly run into dirty pages again..
Thanks,
Fengguang
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Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-19 13:11 [PATCH 0/8] Reduce writeback from page reclaim context V4 Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 1/8] vmscan: tracing: Roll up of patches currently in mmotm Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 2/8] vmscan: tracing: Update trace event to track if page reclaim IO is for anon or file pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:24 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 14:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:24 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 3/8] vmscan: tracing: Update post-processing script to distinguish between anon and file IO from page reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:32 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 4/8] vmscan: Do not writeback filesystem pages in direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:26 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 18:25 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 22:14 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-20 13:45 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-20 22:02 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 11:36 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 11:52 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 12:01 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-07-21 14:27 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 23:57 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-07-22 9:19 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-22 9:22 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-07-21 13:04 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 13:38 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 14:28 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 14:31 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-21 14:39 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-21 15:06 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 8:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 9:12 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 11:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 12:53 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 13:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 5/8] fs,btrfs: Allow kswapd to writeback pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 18:27 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 6/8] fs,xfs: " Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 7/8] writeback: sync old inodes first in background writeback Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:40 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-22 8:52 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 9:02 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 9:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 10:48 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-23 9:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-23 10:57 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-23 11:49 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-23 12:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-25 10:43 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-07-25 12:03 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-26 3:27 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 4:11 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-26 4:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 16:30 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-26 22:48 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 3:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 3:11 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-26 3:17 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 15:34 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 11:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 9:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-23 8:33 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22 1:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-19 18:43 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 13:11 ` [PATCH 8/8] vmscan: Kick flusher threads to clean pages when reclaim is encountering dirty pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 14:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:37 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-19 22:48 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-20 14:10 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-20 22:05 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-19 18:59 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-19 22:26 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-07-26 7:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 9:26 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 11:27 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 12:57 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 13:10 ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-07-27 13:35 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-27 14:24 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-27 14:34 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-27 14:40 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-27 14:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-27 14:38 ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-27 15:21 ` Wu Fengguang
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