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From: Neil Brown <neilb-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>,
	"Patrick J. LoPresti"
	<lopresti-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi-Vw/NltI1exuRpAAqCnN02g@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal: Use hi-res clock for file timestamps
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:47:38 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100819094738.37cfa566@notabene> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100818173203.GC32430-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:32:03 -0400
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 03:53:59PM +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> > I'm not sure you even want to pay for a per-filesystem atomic access when
> > updating mtime.  mnt_want_write - called at the same time - seems to go to
> > some lengths to avoid an atomic operation.
> > 
> > I think that nfsd should be the only place that has to pay the atomic
> > penalty, as it is where the need is.
> > 
> > I imagine something like this:
> >  - Create a global struct timespec which is protected by a seqlock
> >    Call it current_nfsd_time or similar.
> >  - file_update_time reads this and uses it if it is newer than
> >    current_fs_time.
> >  - nfsd updates it whenever it reads an mtime out of an inode that matches
> >    current_fs_time to the granularity of 1/HZ.
> 
> We can also skip the update whenever current_nfsd_time is greater than
> the inode's mtime--that's enough to ensure that the next
> file_update_time() call will get a time different from the inode's
> current mtime.

Yes, I agree with you and Patrick - very sensible optimisation.

> 
> Would the extra expense rule out treating sys_stat() the same as nfsd?
> It would be nice to be able to solve the same problem for userspace
> nfsd's (or any other application that might be using mtime to save
> rereading data).

It would be nice, but I would be loathe to add any cost to 'stat' unless we
knew it was needed.
If we had an xstat() which could explicitly ask for
high-precision-time-stamps, then yes - otherwise maybe not.

(or maybe define a system:linux.xxxx xattr which would read as a
high-precision time stamp...  I seem to be warming to the idea of using the
xattr interface for enhancing stat).

NeilBrown
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-18 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-13 18:25 Proposal: Use hi-res clock for file timestamps Patrick J. LoPresti
     [not found] ` <AANLkTimnyXKahtjaFeSsgcq=xMy-pP3na1jidQhZ-dt2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-13 18:45   ` john stultz
2010-08-13 18:57     ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-13 19:09       ` john stultz
     [not found]         ` <1281726579.2810.10.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-13 20:53           ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-14 16:45             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-15  1:50             ` Bret Towe
2010-08-17 14:54   ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]     ` <87aaolwar8.fsf-3rXA9MLqAseW/qJFnhkgxti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 17:41       ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]         ` <20100817174134.GA23176-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 18:29           ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]             ` <20100817182920.GD18161-u0/ZJuX+froe6aEkudXLsA@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 18:50               ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-18 18:20               ` David Woodhouse
2010-08-18 18:32                 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-18 18:53                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-17 19:04             ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]               ` <20100817190447.GA28049-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:18                 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
     [not found]                   ` <AANLkTi=w1UA5ZZDBigpxMiL7A7DnbnQhLkg62JZpC6Ri-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:39                     ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                       ` <20100817203941.729830b7-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:29                         ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                           ` <20100817192937.GD26609-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:52                             ` Alan Cox
2010-08-18  5:53                             ` Neil Brown
2010-08-18 14:46                               ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-18 17:32                               ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                 ` <20100818173203.GC32430-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-18 18:15                                   ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                     ` <0F91AB9D-0E14-4384-ADD6-0A467C3ABFAC-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-18 23:41                                       ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19  0:52                                         ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19  2:08                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                             ` <20100819020803.GA30151-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19  2:44                                               ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19 22:46                                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 23:47                                   ` Neil Brown [this message]
2010-08-18 17:50                               ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-18 18:54                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 19:25                                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-18 19:30                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-17 19:34                         ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-17 19:54                           ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                             ` <20100817205441.200ab9a4-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:43                               ` Patrick J. LoPresti
     [not found]                                 ` <AANLkTi=BB-zVFyCLgC+RWai9FFecaOad=pUC2=XFnY3J-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:45                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 18:12                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-19  1:41                             ` john stultz
     [not found]                               ` <AANLkTi=cx31Mgfe7FxJz6LUmTKFR4=9KEBgbFsNLjiSE-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19  2:31                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                   ` <20100819023106.GB30151-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19  3:17                                     ` john stultz
2010-08-19 22:53                                       ` J. Bruce Fields

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