From: Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com>
To: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <kees.cook@canonical.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, oss-security@lists.openwall.com,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] exec argument expansion can inappropriately trigger OOM-killer
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:48:06 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100830194806.GC25870@openwall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100830100616.78971400D9@magilla.sf.frob.com>
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 03:06:16AM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote:
> And I say, if your userland process could really allocate another 200GB,
> then more power to you, you can do it with an exec too. If you could do
> the same with a userland stack allocation, and spend all that time in
> strlen calls and then memcpy, you can do it inside execve too. If it
> takes days, that's what you asked for, and it's your process. It just
> ought to be every bit (or near enough) as preemptible and interruptible
> as that normal userland activity ought to be.
This makes sense to me. However, introducing a new preemption point
may violate assumptions under which the code was written and reviewed
in the past. In the worst case, we'd introduce/expose race conditions
allowing for privilege escalation.
> So, perhaps we want this (count already has a cond_resched in its loop):
Good point re: count() already having this (I think it did not in 2.2).
> @@ -400,6 +403,10 @@ static int copy_strings(int argc, const
> int len;
> unsigned long pos;
>
> + if (signal_pending(current))
> + return -ERESTARTNOINTR;
> + cond_resched();
So, in current kernels, you're making it possible for more kinds of
things to change after prepare_binprm() but before
search_binary_handler(). We'd need to check for possible implications
of this.
I must admit I am not familiar with what additional kinds of things may
change when execution is preempted. This made a significant difference
in some much older kernels (many years ago), but now that the kernel
makes a lot less use of locking most things may be changed by another
CPU even without preemption. So does anyone have a list of what
additional risks we're exposed to, if any, when we allow preemption in
current kernels?
> Has someone reported this BUG_ON failure mode with a reproducer?
64bit_dos.c was supposed to be the reproducer, and I managed to get it
to work (as I've documented in another message earlier today). The
prerequisites appeared to be (some of these might be specific to my
tests, though):
- 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland support (e.g., CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION);
- 64-bit build of 64bit_dos.c;
- 32-bit build of the target program;
- no dynamic linking in the target program;
- "ulimit -s unlimited" before running the reproducer program;
- over 3 GB of RAM in the system.
> [...] Rather than better enabling OOM killing, I think what really
> makes sense is for the nascent mm to be marked such that allocations in
> it (they'll be from get_arg_page->get_user_pages->handle_mm_fault) just
> fail with ENOMEM before it resorts to the OOM killer (or perhaps even to
> very aggressive pageout). That should percolate back to the execve just
> failing with ENOMEM, which is nicer than OOM kill even if the OOM killer
> actually does pick exactly and only the right target.
I agree.
Thanks,
Alexander
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-30 19:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-27 22:02 [PATCH] exec argument expansion can inappropriately trigger OOM-killer Kees Cook
2010-08-30 0:19 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-30 0:56 ` Roland McGrath
[not found] ` <20100830005648.431B7400D9-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-30 3:23 ` Solar Designer
2010-08-30 10:06 ` Roland McGrath
2010-08-30 19:48 ` Solar Designer [this message]
2010-08-31 0:40 ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-08 2:34 ` [PATCH 0/3] execve argument-copying fixes Roland McGrath
2010-09-08 2:35 ` [PATCH 1/3] setup_arg_pages: diagnose excessive argument size Roland McGrath
2010-09-08 8:29 ` pageexec
[not found] ` <4C874986.23581.F34F4BD-tVCe0bXVy/VhMnff8nq0I0CAg8bcNmFB@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-10 8:59 ` Roland McGrath
[not found] ` <20100910085915.8CC23405D5-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-11 13:30 ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
2010-09-14 19:33 ` Roland McGrath
[not found] ` <20100914193331.DB434403E8-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-14 22:35 ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
2010-09-08 11:57 ` Brad Spengler
2010-09-09 5:31 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
[not found] ` <20100909141534.C948.A69D9226-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-10 9:25 ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-10 9:43 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
[not found] ` <20100910092541.2864A405D5-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-11 13:39 ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
[not found] ` <4C8B8692.7649.3E0895B-tVCe0bXVy/VhMnff8nq0I0CAg8bcNmFB@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-14 18:51 ` Roland McGrath
[not found] ` <20100914185135.03DD6403E8-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-14 20:28 ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
[not found] ` <4C8FDAEF.17347.14CA1791-tVCe0bXVy/VhMnff8nq0I0CAg8bcNmFB@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-14 21:16 ` Roland McGrath
[not found] ` <20100914211644.E0C58403E8-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-14 22:27 ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
[not found] ` <4C8FF6EE.21454.153770F9-tVCe0bXVy/VhMnff8nq0I0CAg8bcNmFB@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-14 23:04 ` Roland McGrath
[not found] ` <20100914230411.B1F0D403E8-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-15 9:27 ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
[not found] ` <20100908115728.GB11762-JNS0hek0TMl4qEwOxq4T+Q@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-10 9:18 ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-08 2:36 ` [PATCH 2/3] execve: improve interactivity with large arguments Roland McGrath
2010-09-08 2:37 ` [PATCH 3/3] execve: make responsive to SIGKILL " Roland McGrath
2010-09-08 3:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] execve argument-copying fixes KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-09 5:01 ` [PATCH 0/2] execve memory exhaust of " KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-09 5:03 ` [PATCH 1/2] oom: don't ignore rss in nascent mm KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-09 22:05 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20100909220504.GA6273-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-10 9:39 ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-10 9:57 ` [PATCH] move cred_guard_mutex from task_struct to signal_struct KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-10 17:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-09-16 5:51 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-09 5:04 ` [PATCH 2/2] execve: check the VM has enough memory at first KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-10 15:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-09-14 1:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-16 5:51 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-16 15:01 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <20100830032331.GA22773-cxoSlKxDwOJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-30 17:49 ` [PATCH] exec argument expansion can inappropriately trigger OOM-killer Solar Designer
[not found] ` <20100830174920.GA25091-cxoSlKxDwOJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-30 22:08 ` Brad Spengler
[not found] ` <20100830220847.GA24980-JNS0hek0TMl4qEwOxq4T+Q@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-31 11:53 ` Solar Designer
2010-08-31 11:56 ` [PATCH] exec argument expansion can inappropriately triggerOOM-killer Tetsuo Handa
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