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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/18] fs: icache remove inode_lock
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:13:01 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101014091301.GC3144@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101014090609.GB3144@amd>

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 08:06:09PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:23:19AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:

> Shrinker and zone reclaim is definitely needed. It is needed for NUMA
> scalability and locality of reclaim, and also for container and directed
> dentry/inode reclaim. Google have a very similar patch and they've said
> this is needed (and I already know it is needed for scalability on
> large NUMA -- SGI were complaining about this nearly 5 years ago IIRC).
> So that is _definitely_ going to be needed.
> 
> Store-free path walking is definitely needed, so we need to do RCU inodes.
> With RCU inodes, the optimal locking protocols change quite a bit --

[...]
 
> It's much past a prototype. While the patches need some more cleanup
> and review still, the final end result gives a tree with almost no
> global cachelines in the entire vfs, including path walking. Things
> like path walks are nearly 50% faster single threaded, and perfectly
> scalable. Linus actually wants the store-free path walk stuff
> _before_ any of the other things, if that gives you an idea of where
> other people are putting the priority of the patches.

With this said, I think you're probably not quite aware of the bigger
picture with the vfs-scale series. Yes it will be important to help
your XFS inode contention, but there are many other people having other
problems, and other big improvements that will benefit desktops and
more common workloads than big-IO ones in the series.

So yes I'll definitely keep the vfs-scale series together. Most of the
inode scaling work is at the bottom of it and should be able to go in
soon. But for example, the inode RCU work is going to go in -- Linus
has acked my strategy for it (and plan for mitigating/avoiding possible
regressions if needed). So with that, it makes more sense to design
the locking with the RCU available.

If we _know_ it will be needed in future anyway, it doesn't make sense
to a different non-RCU approach, and then rework that again down the
line IMO. That just gives a larger burden of locking models that need
to be supported/debugged.

Ditto for other things like per zone locking.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-14  9:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-08  5:21 fs: Inode cache scalability V2 Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 01/18] kernel: add bl_list Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:18   ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-08 10:33     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 02/18] fs: Convert nr_inodes and nr_unused to per-cpu counters Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 03/18] fs: keep inode with backing-dev Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:27     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 04/18] fs: Implement lazy LRU updates for inodes Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:08   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:31     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  9:08   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08  9:51     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 05/18] fs: inode split IO and LRU lists Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:38     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  9:16   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08  9:58     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 06/18] fs: Clean up inode reference counting Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:20   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:46     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:15       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 07/18] exofs: use iput() for inode reference count decrements Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:56   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:29     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-17 15:41       ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 08/18] fs: add inode reference coutn read accessor Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 09/18] fs: rework icount to be a locked variable Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:27   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:50     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:17       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 13:16         ` Chris Mason
2010-10-08  9:32   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:15     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 13:14       ` Chris Mason
2010-10-08 13:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 14:09         ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 10/18] fs: Factor inode hash operations into functions Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  9:41     ` Al Viro
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 11/18] fs: Introduce per-bucket inode hash locks Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:33   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:51     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  9:49   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08  9:51     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 13:43   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 14:17     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 18:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:57     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:16       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:12         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-17  0:45           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-17  2:06             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-17  0:46           ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-17  2:25             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-18 16:16               ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-18 16:21                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-19  7:00                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-19 16:50                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-20  3:11                       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-24 15:44                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-24 21:17                         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-25  4:41                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-25  7:04                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-26  0:12                               ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-26  0:06                             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 12/18] fs: add a per-superblock lock for the inode list Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 13/18] fs: split locking of inode writeback and LRU lists Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  8:00     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:57         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:20           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:19             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-17  1:00               ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-17  2:20                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 14/18] fs: Protect inode->i_state with th einode->i_lock Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  8:04     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:57         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09  8:05       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09 14:52       ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-10-10  2:01         ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 15/18] fs: introduce a per-cpu last_ino allocator Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  8:05     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:22   ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-08  8:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  9:58     ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:09       ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-08 10:19         ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:20           ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08  9:56   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:03     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 10:20       ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08 13:48         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 14:06           ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08 19:10             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09 17:14             ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-10-16  7:57       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:22         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:21           ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 16/18] fs: Make iunique independent of inode_lock Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  8:06     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:19       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 17/18] fs: icache remove inode_lock Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:03   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  8:09     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-13  7:20   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13  7:27     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 11:28       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-13 12:03         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 12:20           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-13 12:25             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 10:42     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-13 12:07       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 11:25     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-13 12:30       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 23:23         ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-14  9:06           ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-14  9:13             ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2010-10-14 14:41             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-15  0:14               ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15  3:13                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-15  3:30                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15  3:44                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15  6:41                       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 10:59                         ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-15 13:03                           ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 13:29                             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 17:33                               ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 17:52                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-15 18:02                                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 18:14                                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16  2:09                                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 14:11                             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 20:50                           ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 20:56                             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15  4:04               ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 11:33                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-15 13:14                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 15:38                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16  7:57   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 18/18] fs: Reduce inode I_FREEING and factor inode disposal Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 10:18   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:52     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 12:10       ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 13:55         ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-09 17:22   ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-10-09  8:08 ` [PATCH 19/18] fs: split __inode_add_to_list Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-12 10:47   ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-12 11:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-12 12:05       ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-09 11:18 ` [PATCH 20/18] fs: do not assign default i_ino in new_inode Christoph Hellwig

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