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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/18] fs: icache remove inode_lock
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 07:50:45 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101015205045.GA20476@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101015105943.GE32255@dastard>

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 09:59:43PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 05:41:50PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > You're worried about mere mortals reviewing and understanding it...
> > I don't really know. If you understand inode locking today, you
> > can understand the inode scaling series quite easily. Ditto for
> > dcache. rcu-walk path walking is trickier, but it is described in
> > detail in documentation and changelog.
> > 
> > And you can understand the high level approach without exactly
> > digesting every detail at once. The inode locking work goes to
> > break up all global locks:
> > 
> > - a single inode object is protected (to the same level as
> >   inode_lock) with i_lock. This makes it really trivial for
> >   filesystems to lock down the object without taking a global
> >   lock.
> 
> Which is unnecessarily wide, and results in i_lock  having to have
> list locks nested inside it, and that leads to the lock
> inversion try-lock mess that several people have complained about.

Gee, you keep repeating this so often that you have me doubting
myself a tiny bit, so I have to check.

$ grep spin_trylock fs/inode.c fs/fs-writeback.c
fs/inode.c:             if (!spin_trylock(&inode->i_lock)) {
fs/inode.c:             if (!spin_trylock(&old->i_lock)) {
fs/inode.c:             if (!spin_trylock(&old->i_lock)) {
fs/fs-writeback.c:      if (!spin_trylock(&inode->i_lock)) {
fs/fs-writeback.c:      if (!spin_trylock(&inode->i_lock)) {
fs/fs-writeback.c:      if (!spin_trylock(&inode->i_lock)) {

This is your unmaintainable mess?  You decided to rewrite your own
vfs-scale tree because I wanted i_lock to protect the icache state (and
offered you very good reason for)?

Well, surely they must be horrible complex and unmaintainable
beasts....

repeat:
	/*
	 * Don't use RCU walks, common case of no old inode
	 * found requires hash lock.
	 */
        spin_lock_bucket(b);
        hlist_bl_for_each_entry(old, node, &b->head, i_hash) {
                if (old->i_ino != ino)
                        continue;
                if (old->i_sb != sb)
                        continue;
                if (old->i_state & (I_FREEING|I_WILL_FREE))
                        continue;
                if (!spin_trylock(&old->i_lock)) {
                        spin_unlock_bucket(b);
                        cpu_relax();
                        goto repeat;
                }

Nope, no big deal. The rest are much the same. So thanks for the
repeated suggestion, but I'll actually prefer to keep my regular i_lock
locking scheme where you don't need to look up the documentation and
think hard about coherency between protected and unprotected parts of
the inode whenever you use it. I didn't stumble upon my locking design
by chance.

If you think a few trylocks == impending doom, then xfs is looking
pretty poorly at this point. So I would ask that you stop making things
up about my patch series. If you dislike the trylocks so much that you
think it is worth breaking the i_lock regularity or using RCU or
whatever, then please propose them as incremental patches to the end
of my series where you can see they logically will fit. You know I will
argue that locking consistency is more important for maintainability
than these few trylocks, however.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-10-15 20:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-08  5:21 fs: Inode cache scalability V2 Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 01/18] kernel: add bl_list Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:18   ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-08 10:33     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 02/18] fs: Convert nr_inodes and nr_unused to per-cpu counters Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 03/18] fs: keep inode with backing-dev Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:27     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 04/18] fs: Implement lazy LRU updates for inodes Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:08   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:31     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  9:08   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08  9:51     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 05/18] fs: inode split IO and LRU lists Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:38     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  9:16   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08  9:58     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 06/18] fs: Clean up inode reference counting Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:20   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:46     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:15       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 07/18] exofs: use iput() for inode reference count decrements Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:56   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:29     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-17 15:41       ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 08/18] fs: add inode reference coutn read accessor Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 09/18] fs: rework icount to be a locked variable Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:27   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:50     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:17       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 13:16         ` Chris Mason
2010-10-08  9:32   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:15     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 13:14       ` Chris Mason
2010-10-08 13:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 14:09         ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 10/18] fs: Factor inode hash operations into functions Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  9:41     ` Al Viro
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 11/18] fs: Introduce per-bucket inode hash locks Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:33   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  7:51     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  9:49   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08  9:51     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 13:43   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 14:17     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 18:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:57     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:16       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:12         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-17  0:45           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-17  2:06             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-17  0:46           ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-17  2:25             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-18 16:16               ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-18 16:21                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-19  7:00                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-19 16:50                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-20  3:11                       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-24 15:44                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-24 21:17                         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-25  4:41                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-25  7:04                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-26  0:12                               ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-26  0:06                             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 12/18] fs: add a per-superblock lock for the inode list Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 13/18] fs: split locking of inode writeback and LRU lists Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  8:00     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:57         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:20           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:19             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-17  1:00               ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-17  2:20                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 14/18] fs: Protect inode->i_state with th einode->i_lock Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  8:04     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:57         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09  8:05       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09 14:52       ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-10-10  2:01         ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 15/18] fs: introduce a per-cpu last_ino allocator Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  8:05     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:22   ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-08  8:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  9:58     ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:09       ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-08 10:19         ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:20           ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08  9:56   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:03     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 10:20       ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08 13:48         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 14:06           ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08 19:10             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09 17:14             ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-10-16  7:57       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:22         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:21           ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 16/18] fs: Make iunique independent of inode_lock Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  7:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  8:06     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:19       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 17/18] fs: icache remove inode_lock Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:03   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08  8:09     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-13  7:20   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13  7:27     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 11:28       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-13 12:03         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 12:20           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-13 12:25             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 10:42     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-13 12:07       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 11:25     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-13 12:30       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 23:23         ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-14  9:06           ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-14  9:13             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-14 14:41             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-15  0:14               ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15  3:13                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-15  3:30                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15  3:44                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15  6:41                       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 10:59                         ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-15 13:03                           ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 13:29                             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 17:33                               ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 17:52                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-15 18:02                                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 18:14                                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16  2:09                                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 14:11                             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 20:50                           ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2010-10-15 20:56                             ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15  4:04               ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 11:33                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-15 13:14                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 15:38                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16  7:57   ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08  5:21 ` [PATCH 18/18] fs: Reduce inode I_FREEING and factor inode disposal Dave Chinner
2010-10-08  8:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 10:18   ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:52     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 12:10       ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 13:55         ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-09 17:22   ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-10-09  8:08 ` [PATCH 19/18] fs: split __inode_add_to_list Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-12 10:47   ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-12 11:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-12 12:05       ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-09 11:18 ` [PATCH 20/18] fs: do not assign default i_ino in new_inode Christoph Hellwig

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