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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/13] writeback: make reasonable gap between the dirty/background thresholds
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:48:37 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101124124837.GC10413@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1290597498.2072.458.camel@laptop>

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 07:18:18PM +0800, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 12:27 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > plain text document attachment
> > (writeback-fix-oversize-background-thresh.patch)
> > The change is virtually a no-op for the majority users that use the
> > default 10/20 background/dirty ratios. For others don't know why they
> > are setting background ratio close enough to dirty ratio. Someone must
> > set background ratio equal to dirty ratio, but no one seems to notice or
> > complain that it's then silently halved under the hood..
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
> > ---
> >  mm/page-writeback.c |   11 +++++++++--
> >  1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > 
> > --- linux-next.orig/mm/page-writeback.c	2010-11-15 13:12:50.000000000 +0800
> > +++ linux-next/mm/page-writeback.c	2010-11-15 13:13:42.000000000 +0800
> > @@ -403,8 +403,15 @@ void global_dirty_limits(unsigned long *
> >  	else
> >  		background = (dirty_background_ratio * available_memory) / 100;
> >  
> > -	if (background >= dirty)
> > -		background = dirty / 2;
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Ensure at least 1/4 gap between background and dirty thresholds, so
> > +	 * that when dirty throttling starts at (background + dirty)/2, it's at
> > +	 * the entrance of bdi soft throttle threshold, so as to avoid being
> > +	 * hard throttled.
> > +	 */
> > +	if (background > dirty - dirty * 2 / BDI_SOFT_DIRTY_LIMIT)
> > +		background = dirty - dirty * 2 / BDI_SOFT_DIRTY_LIMIT;
> > +
> >  	tsk = current;
> >  	if (tsk->flags & PF_LESS_THROTTLE || rt_task(tsk)) {
> >  		background += background / 4;
> 
> 
> Hrm,.. the alternative is to return -ERANGE or somesuch when people try
> to write nonsensical values.
> 
> I'm not sure what's best, guessing at what the user did mean to do or
> forcing him to actually think.

Yes, this may break user space either way.
Doing it loudly does make more sense.

Thanks,
Fengguang

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-24 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-17  4:27 [PATCH 00/13] IO-less dirty throttling v2 Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 01/13] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17 10:34   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-22  2:01     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18 13:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-18 13:26     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-18 13:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-18 14:02         ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]     ` <20101129151719.GA30590@localhost>
     [not found]       ` <1291064013.32004.393.camel@laptop>
     [not found]         ` <20101130043735.GA22947@localhost>
     [not found]           ` <1291156522.32004.1359.camel@laptop>
     [not found]             ` <1291156765.32004.1365.camel@laptop>
     [not found]               ` <20101201133818.GA13377@localhost>
2010-12-01 23:03                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-12-02  1:56                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-05 16:14                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-06  2:42                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-06  9:52                     ` Dmitry
2010-12-06 12:34                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 02/13] writeback: consolidate variable names in balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 03/13] writeback: per-task rate limit on balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17 14:39   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 10:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 10:43     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 10:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 04/13] writeback: prevent duplicate balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited() calls Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 05/13] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated written pages Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 10:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 10:44     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 06/13] writeback: bdi write bandwidth estimation Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-17 23:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 23:38       ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-17 23:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-18  6:51     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 10:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 14:06     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 11:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 12:10     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 12:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 13:14         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 13:20           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 13:42             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 13:46               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 14:12                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 14:21                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 14:31                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 14:38                       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 14:34                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 07/13] writeback: show bdi write bandwidth in debugfs Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 08/13] writeback: quit throttling when bdi dirty pages dropped low Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 11:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 12:30     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 12:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 12:59         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 09/13] writeback: reduce per-bdi dirty threshold ramp up time Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 11:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 12:39     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 12:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 10/13] writeback: make reasonable gap between the dirty/background thresholds Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 11:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 12:48     ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 11/13] writeback: scale down max throttle bandwidth on concurrent dirtiers Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 12/13] writeback: add trace event for balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:41   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 13/13] writeback: make nr_to_write a per-file limit Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17 23:03 ` [PATCH 00/13] IO-less dirty throttling v2 Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  2:06   ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-18  2:09     ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  3:21       ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-18  3:34         ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  7:27           ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-18  7:33             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-19  3:11               ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-24 11:12       ` Avi Kivity
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-11-17  3:58 [PATCH 10/13] writeback: make reasonable gap between the dirty/background thresholds Wu Fengguang

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