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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/13] writeback: quit throttling when bdi dirty pages dropped low
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:59:01 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101124125901.GD10413@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1290602811.2072.462.camel@laptop>

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 08:46:51PM +0800, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 20:30 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > 
> > For the 1-dd case, it looks better to lower the break threshold to
> > 125ms. After all, it's not easy for the dirty pages to drop by 250ms
> > worth of data when you only slept 200ms (note: the max pause time has
> > been doubled mainly for servers).
> > 
> > -               if (nr_dirty < dirty_thresh &&
> > -                   bdi_prev_dirty - bdi_dirty > (long)bdi->write_bandwidth / 4)
> > +               if (nr_dirty <= dirty_thresh &&
> > +                   bdi_prev_dirty - bdi_dirty > (long)bdi->write_bandwidth / 8)
> >                         break;
> 
> Hrm, but 125ms worth in 200ms is rather easy, you'd want to keep that
> limit above what the pause should give you, right?

Yeah, I exactly mean to quit the loop after sleeping 200ms.
200ms pause already seem large..

I'll leave the safeguard to the "nr_dirty <= dirty_thresh" test :)

This trace shows the problem it tries to solve. Here on fresh boot,
bdi_dirty=106600 which is much larger than bdi_limit=13525.

The same situation may happen if some task quickly eats lots of
anonymous memory, then the global/bdi limits will be knock down
suddenly and it takes time to bring down bdi_dirty.

#           TASK-PID    CPU#    TIMESTAMP  FUNCTION
#              | |       |          |         |
           <...>-2722  [005]    39.623216: balance_dirty_pages: bdi=8:0 bdi_dirty=106600 bdi_limit=13525 task_limit=13423 task_weight=12% task_gap=-11022% bdi_gap=-5504% dirtied=268 bw=0 ratelimit=0 period=0 think=0 pause=200
           <...>-2720  [004]    39.623222: balance_dirty_pages: bdi=8:0 bdi_dirty=106600 bdi_limit=13513 task_limit=13441 task_weight=9% task_gap=-11029% bdi_gap=-5510% dirtied=267 bw=0 ratelimit=0 period=0 think=0 pause=200                             
           <...>-2717  [003]    39.623666: balance_dirty_pages: bdi=8:0 bdi_dirty=106560 bdi_limit=13742 task_limit=13659 task_weight=10% task_gap=-10815% bdi_gap=-5402% dirtied=268 bw=0 ratelimit=0 period=0 think=0 pause=200                            
           <...>-2718  [004]    39.623990: balance_dirty_pages: bdi=8:0 bdi_dirty=106560 bdi_limit=13979 task_limit=13913 task_weight=8% task_gap=-10603% bdi_gap=-5297% dirtied=272 bw=0 ratelimit=0 period=0 think=0 pause=200                             
           <...>-2715  [007]    39.626472: balance_dirty_pages: bdi=8:0 bdi_dirty=106360 bdi_limit=15312 task_limit=15211 task_weight=11% task_gap=-9523% bdi_gap=-4756% dirtied=268 bw=0 ratelimit=0 period=0 think=0 pause=200                             
           <...>-2723  [001]    39.628951: balance_dirty_pages: bdi=8:0 bdi_dirty=106560 bdi_limit=15749 task_limit=15640 task_weight=11% task_gap=-9236% bdi_gap=-4612% dirtied=269 bw=0 ratelimit=0 period=0 think=0 pause=200                  

Thanks,
Fengguang

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-24 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-17  4:27 [PATCH 00/13] IO-less dirty throttling v2 Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 01/13] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17 10:34   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-22  2:01     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18 13:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-18 13:26     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-18 13:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-18 14:02         ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]     ` <20101129151719.GA30590@localhost>
     [not found]       ` <1291064013.32004.393.camel@laptop>
     [not found]         ` <20101130043735.GA22947@localhost>
     [not found]           ` <1291156522.32004.1359.camel@laptop>
     [not found]             ` <1291156765.32004.1365.camel@laptop>
     [not found]               ` <20101201133818.GA13377@localhost>
2010-12-01 23:03                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-12-02  1:56                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-05 16:14                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-06  2:42                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-06  9:52                     ` Dmitry
2010-12-06 12:34                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 02/13] writeback: consolidate variable names in balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 03/13] writeback: per-task rate limit on balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17 14:39   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 10:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 10:43     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 10:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 04/13] writeback: prevent duplicate balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited() calls Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 05/13] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated written pages Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 10:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 10:44     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 06/13] writeback: bdi write bandwidth estimation Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-17 23:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 23:38       ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-17 23:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-18  6:51     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 10:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 14:06     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 11:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 12:10     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 12:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 13:14         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 13:20           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 13:42             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 13:46               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 14:12                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 14:21                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 14:31                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 14:38                       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 14:34                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 07/13] writeback: show bdi write bandwidth in debugfs Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 08/13] writeback: quit throttling when bdi dirty pages dropped low Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 11:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 12:30     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 12:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 12:59         ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 09/13] writeback: reduce per-bdi dirty threshold ramp up time Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 11:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 12:39     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 12:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 10/13] writeback: make reasonable gap between the dirty/background thresholds Wu Fengguang
2010-11-24 11:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-24 12:48     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 11/13] writeback: scale down max throttle bandwidth on concurrent dirtiers Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 12/13] writeback: add trace event for balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:41   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17  4:27 ` [PATCH 13/13] writeback: make nr_to_write a per-file limit Wu Fengguang
2010-11-17 23:03 ` [PATCH 00/13] IO-less dirty throttling v2 Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  2:06   ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-18  2:09     ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  3:21       ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-18  3:34         ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  7:27           ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-18  7:33             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-19  3:11               ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-24 11:12       ` Avi Kivity
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-11-17  3:58 [PATCH 08/13] writeback: quit throttling when bdi dirty pages dropped low Wu Fengguang

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