From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
Cc: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [patch] fs: fix deadlocks in writeback_if_idle
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:10:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101124131028.GQ6113@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101124010343.GD3168@amd>
On Wed 24-11-10 12:03:43, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > For the _nr variant that btrfs uses, it's worse for the filesystems
> > that don't have a 1:1 bdi<->sb mapping. It might not actually write any
> > of the pages from the SB that is out of space.
>
> That's true, but it might not write anything anyway (and after we
> check whether writeout is in progress, the writeout thread could go
> to sleep and not do anything anyway).
>
> So it's a pretty hacky interface anyway. If you want to do anything
> deterministic, you obviously need real coupling between producer and
> consumer. This should only be a performance tweak (or a workaround
> hack in worst case).
Yes, the current interface is a band aid for the problem and better
interface is welcome. But it's not trivial to do better...
> > > It makes no further guarantees, and anyway
> > > the sb has to compete for normal writeback within this bdi.
> >
> > >
> > > I think Christoph is right because filesystems should not really
> > > know about how bdi writeback queueing works. But I don't know if it's
> > > worth doing anything more complex for this functionality?
> >
> > I think we should make a writeback_inodes_sb_unlocked() that doesn't
> > warn when the semaphore isn't held. That should be enough given where
> > btrfs and ext4 are calling it from.
>
> It doesn't solve the bugs -- calling and waiting for writeback is
> still broken because completion requires i_mutex and it is called
> from under i_mutex.
Well, as I wrote in my previous email, only ext4 has the problem with
i_mutex and I personally view it as a bug. But ultimately it's Ted's call
to decide.
Honza
--
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-24 13:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-23 10:02 [patch] fs: fix deadlocks in writeback_if_idle Nick Piggin
2010-11-23 10:11 ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-23 13:18 ` Jan Kara
2010-11-25 3:52 ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-23 10:26 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-23 10:54 ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-23 12:00 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-23 12:34 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-23 12:52 ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-23 18:58 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-24 1:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-24 13:10 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2010-11-25 3:53 ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-29 22:26 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-30 0:01 ` Nick Piggin
2010-12-16 3:12 ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-24 22:51 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-25 4:07 ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-24 22:47 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-25 9:41 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-25 20:30 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-30 0:50 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-23 12:54 ` Dmitry
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