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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Richard Kennedy <richard@rsk.demon.co.uk>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/35] writeback: reduce per-bdi dirty threshold ramp up time
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:59:10 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101214135910.GA21401@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1292333854.2019.16.camel@castor.rsk>

Hi Richard,

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 09:37:34PM +0800, Richard Kennedy wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 22:46 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > plain text document attachment
> > (writeback-speedup-per-bdi-threshold-ramp-up.patch)
> > Reduce the dampening for the control system, yielding faster
> > convergence.
> > 
> > Currently it converges at a snail's pace for slow devices (in order of
> > minutes).  For really fast storage, the convergence speed should be fine.
> > 
> > It makes sense to make it reasonably fast for typical desktops.
> > 
> > After patch, it converges in ~10 seconds for 60MB/s writes and 4GB mem.
> > So expect ~1s for a fast 600MB/s storage under 4GB mem, or ~4s under
> > 16GB mem, which seems reasonable.
> > 
> > $ while true; do grep BdiDirtyThresh /debug/bdi/8:0/stats; sleep 1; done
> > BdiDirtyThresh:            0 kB
> > BdiDirtyThresh:       118748 kB
> > BdiDirtyThresh:       214280 kB
> > BdiDirtyThresh:       303868 kB
> > BdiDirtyThresh:       376528 kB
> > BdiDirtyThresh:       411180 kB
> > BdiDirtyThresh:       448636 kB
> > BdiDirtyThresh:       472260 kB
> > BdiDirtyThresh:       490924 kB
> > BdiDirtyThresh:       499596 kB
> > BdiDirtyThresh:       507068 kB
> > ...
> > DirtyThresh:          530392 kB
> > 
> > CC: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
> > CC: Richard Kennedy <richard@rsk.demon.co.uk>
> > Signed-off-by: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
> > ---
> >  mm/page-writeback.c |    2 +-
> >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > 
> > --- linux-next.orig/mm/page-writeback.c	2010-12-13 21:46:11.000000000 +0800
> > +++ linux-next/mm/page-writeback.c	2010-12-13 21:46:11.000000000 +0800
> > @@ -145,7 +145,7 @@ static int calc_period_shift(void)
> >  	else
> >  		dirty_total = (vm_dirty_ratio * determine_dirtyable_memory()) /
> >  				100;
> > -	return 2 + ilog2(dirty_total - 1);
> > +	return ilog2(dirty_total - 1) - 1;
> >  }
> >  
> >  /*
> > 
> > 
> Hi Fengguang,
> 
> I've been running my test set on your v3 series and generally it's
> giving good results in line with the mainline kernel, with much less
> variability and lower standard deviation of the results so it is much
> more repeatable.

Glad to hear that, and thank you very much for trying it out!

> However, it doesn't seem to be honouring the background_dirty_threshold.

> The attached graph is from a simple fio write test of 400Mb on ext4.
> All dirty pages are completely written in 15 seconds, but I expect to
> see up to background_dirty_threshold pages staying dirty until the 30
> second background task writes them out. So it is much too eager to write
> back dirty pages.
 
This is interesting, and seems easy to root cause. When testing v4,
would you help collect the following trace events?

echo 1 > /debug/tracing/events/writeback/balance_dirty_pages/enable
echo 1 > /debug/tracing/events/writeback/balance_dirty_state/enable
echo 1 > /debug/tracing/events/writeback/writeback_single_inode/enable

They'll have good opportunity to disclose the bug.

> As to the ramp up time, when writing to 2 disks at the same time I see
> the per_bdi_threshold taking up to 20 seconds to converge on a steady
> value after one of the write stops. So I think this could be speeded up
> even more, at least on my setup.

I have the roughly same ramp up time on the 1-disk 3GB mem test:

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/tests/3G/ext4-1dd-1M-8p-2952M-2.6.37-rc5+-2010-12-09-00-37/dirty-pages.png
 
Given that it's the typical desktop, it does seem reasonable to speed
it up further.

> I am just about to start testing v4 & will report anything interesting.

Thanks!

Fengguang

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-14 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-13 14:46 [PATCH 00/35] IO-less dirty throttling v4 Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 01/35] writeback: enabling gate limit for light dirtied bdi Wu Fengguang
2011-01-12 21:43   ` Jan Kara
2011-01-13  3:44     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-01-13  3:58       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-01-13 19:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-14  3:21         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 02/35] writeback: safety margin for bdi stat error Wu Fengguang
2011-01-12 21:59   ` Jan Kara
2011-01-13  4:14     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-01-13 10:38       ` Jan Kara
2011-01-13 10:41         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 03/35] writeback: prevent duplicate balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited() calls Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 04/35] writeback: reduce per-bdi dirty threshold ramp up time Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 13:37   ` Richard Kennedy
2010-12-14 13:59     ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-12-14 14:33       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:39         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-14 15:15             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 15:26               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:56           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-15 18:48       ` Richard Kennedy
2010-12-17 13:07         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 05/35] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 06/35] writeback: consolidate variable names in balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 07/35] writeback: per-task rate limit on balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 08/35] writeback: user space think time compensation Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 09/35] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated written pages Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 10/35] writeback: bdi write bandwidth estimation Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 11/35] writeback: show bdi write bandwidth in debugfs Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 12/35] writeback: scale down max throttle bandwidth on concurrent dirtiers Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14  1:21   ` Yan, Zheng
2010-12-14  7:00     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 13:00       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 13/35] writeback: bdi base throttle bandwidth Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 14/35] writeback: smoothed bdi dirty pages Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 15/35] writeback: adapt max balance pause time to memory size Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 16/35] writeback: increase min pause time on concurrent dirtiers Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 18:23   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-14  6:51     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 18:42       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-14 18:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-14 20:13           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-14 20:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-14 20:37               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 17/35] writeback: quit throttling when bdi dirty pages dropped low Wu Fengguang
2010-12-16  5:17   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 18/35] writeback: start background writeback earlier Wu Fengguang
2010-12-16  5:37   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 19/35] writeback: make nr_to_write a per-file limit Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 20/35] writeback: scale IO chunk size up to device bandwidth Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 21/35] writeback: trace balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 22/35] writeback: trace global dirty page states Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17  2:19   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17  3:11     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17  6:52     ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-17  9:31       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17 11:21       ` [PATCH] writeback: skip balance_dirty_pages() for in-memory fs Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17 14:21         ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-17 15:34         ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-17 15:42           ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-21  5:59         ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-21  9:39           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-30  3:15             ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 23/35] writeback: trace writeback_single_inode() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 24/35] btrfs: dont call balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited() on already dirty pages Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 25/35] btrfs: lower the dirty balacing rate limit Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 26/35] btrfs: wait on too many nr_async_bios Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 27/35] nfs: livelock prevention is now done in VFS Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 28/35] nfs: writeback pages wait queue Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 29/35] nfs: in-commit pages accounting and " Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 21:15   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-14 15:40     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 15:57       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-15 15:07         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 30/35] nfs: heuristics to avoid commit Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 20:53   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-14  8:20     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 31/35] nfs: dont change wbc->nr_to_write in write_inode() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 21:01   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-14 15:53     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 32/35] nfs: limit the range of commits Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 33/35] nfs: adapt congestion threshold to dirty threshold Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 34/35] nfs: trace nfs_commit_unstable_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 35/35] nfs: trace nfs_commit_release() Wu Fengguang
     [not found] ` <AANLkTinFeu7LMaDFgUcP3r2oqVHE5bei3T5JTPGBNvS9@mail.gmail.com>
2010-12-14  4:59   ` [PATCH 00/35] IO-less dirty throttling v4 Wu Fengguang

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