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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 29/35] nfs: in-commit pages accounting and wait queue
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:07:14 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101215150714.GA22454@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1292342245.2976.13.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:57:25PM +0800, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 23:40 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 05:15:51AM +0800, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 22:47 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > plain text document attachment (writeback-nfs-in-commit.patch)
> > > > When doing 10+ concurrent dd's, I observed very bumpy commits submission
> > > > (partly because the dd's are started at the same time, and hence reached
> > > > 4MB to-commit pages at the same time). Basically we rely on the server
> > > > to complete and return write/commit requests, and want both to progress
> > > > smoothly and not consume too many pages. The write request wait queue is
> > > > not enough as it's mainly network bounded. So add another commit request
> > > > wait queue. Only async writes need to sleep on this queue.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm not understanding the above reasoning. Why should we serialise
> > > commits at the per-filesystem level (and only for non-blocking flushes
> > > at that)?
> > 
> > I did the commit wait queue after seeing this graph, where there is
> > very bursty pattern of commit submission and hence completion:
> > 
> > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/tests/3G/nfs-100dd-1M-8p-2953M-2.6.37-rc3+-2010-12-03-01/nfs-commit-1000.png
> > 
> > leading to big fluctuations, eg. the almost straight up/straight down
> > lines below
> > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/tests/3G/nfs-100dd-1M-8p-2953M-2.6.37-rc3+-2010-12-03-01/vmstat-dirty-300.png
> > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/tests/3G/nfs-100dd-1M-8p-2953M-2.6.37-rc3+-2010-12-03-01/dirty-pages.png
> > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/tests/3G/nfs-100dd-1M-8p-2953M-2.6.37-rc3+-2010-12-03-01/dirty-pages-200.png
> > 
> > A commit wait queue will help wipe out the "peaks". The "fixed" graph
> > is
> > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/tests/3G/nfs-100dd-1M-8p-2952M-2.6.37-rc5+-2010-12-09-03-23/vmstat-dirty-300.png
> > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/tests/3G/nfs-100dd-1M-8p-2952M-2.6.37-rc5+-2010-12-09-03-23/dirty-pages.png
> > 
> > Blocking flushes don't need to wait on this queue because they already
> > throttle themselves by waiting on the inode commit lock before/after
> > the commit.  They actually should not wait on this queue, to prevent
> > sync requests being unnecessarily blocked by async ones.
> 
> OK, but isn't it better then to just abort the commit, and have the
> relevant async process retry it later?

I'll drop this patch. I vaguely remember that bursty commit graph
mentioned below

> > I did the commit wait queue after seeing this graph, where there is
> > very bursty pattern of commit submission and hence completion:
> > 
> > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/tests/3G/nfs-100dd-1M-8p-2953M-2.6.37-rc3+-2010-12-03-01/nfs-commit-1000.png

is caused by this condition in nfs_should_commit():

        /* big enough */
        if (to_commit >= MIN_WRITEBACK_PAGES)
                return true;

It's because the 100 dd's accumulated 4MB dirty pages at roughly the
same time. Then I added the in_commit accounting (for the below test)
and wait queue. It seems that the below condition is good enough to
smooth out the commit distribution.

        /* active commits drop low: kick more IO for the server disk */
        if (to_commit > in_commit / 2)
                return true;

And I'm going further remove the above two conditions, and do a much
more simple change:

-               if (nfsi->ncommit <= (nfsi->npages >> 1))
+               if (nfsi->ncommit <= (nfsi->npages >> 4))
                        goto out_mark_dirty;

The change to ">> 4" helps reduce the fluctuation to the acceptable
level: balance_dirty_page() is now doing soft dirty throttling in a
small range of bdi_dirty_limit/8. The above change guarantees that
when an NFS commit completes, the bdi_dirty won't suddenly drop out
of the soft throttling region. On my mem=3GB test box and 1-dd case,
npages/16 ~= 32MB is still a large size.

Basic tests show that it achieves roughly the same effect with these
two patches

[PATCH 29/35] nfs: in-commit pages accounting and wait queue
[PATCH 30/35] nfs: heuristics to avoid commit

It would not only be simpler, but also be able to do larger commits in
the case of "fast and memory bounty server/client connected by slow
network". In this case, the above two patches will do 4MB commits,
while the simpler change can do much larger.

> This is a code path which is followed by kswapd, for instance. It seems
> dangerous to be throttling that instead of allowing it to proceed (and
> perhaps being able to free up memory on some other partition in the mean
> time).

It seems pageout() calls nfs_writepage(), the latter does unstable
write and also won't commit the page. This means pageout() cannot
guarantee free of the page at all.. so NFS dirty pages are virtually
unreclaimable..

Thanks,
Fengguang

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-15 15:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-13 14:46 [PATCH 00/35] IO-less dirty throttling v4 Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 01/35] writeback: enabling gate limit for light dirtied bdi Wu Fengguang
2011-01-12 21:43   ` Jan Kara
2011-01-13  3:44     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-01-13  3:58       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-01-13 19:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-14  3:21         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 02/35] writeback: safety margin for bdi stat error Wu Fengguang
2011-01-12 21:59   ` Jan Kara
2011-01-13  4:14     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-01-13 10:38       ` Jan Kara
2011-01-13 10:41         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 03/35] writeback: prevent duplicate balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited() calls Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 04/35] writeback: reduce per-bdi dirty threshold ramp up time Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 13:37   ` Richard Kennedy
2010-12-14 13:59     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:33       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:39         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-14 15:15             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 15:26               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:56           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-15 18:48       ` Richard Kennedy
2010-12-17 13:07         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 05/35] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 06/35] writeback: consolidate variable names in balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 07/35] writeback: per-task rate limit on balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 08/35] writeback: user space think time compensation Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 09/35] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated written pages Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 10/35] writeback: bdi write bandwidth estimation Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 11/35] writeback: show bdi write bandwidth in debugfs Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 12/35] writeback: scale down max throttle bandwidth on concurrent dirtiers Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14  1:21   ` Yan, Zheng
2010-12-14  7:00     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 13:00       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 13/35] writeback: bdi base throttle bandwidth Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 14/35] writeback: smoothed bdi dirty pages Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 15/35] writeback: adapt max balance pause time to memory size Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 16/35] writeback: increase min pause time on concurrent dirtiers Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 18:23   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-14  6:51     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 18:42       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-14 18:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-14 20:13           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-14 20:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-14 20:37               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 17/35] writeback: quit throttling when bdi dirty pages dropped low Wu Fengguang
2010-12-16  5:17   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 18/35] writeback: start background writeback earlier Wu Fengguang
2010-12-16  5:37   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 19/35] writeback: make nr_to_write a per-file limit Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 20/35] writeback: scale IO chunk size up to device bandwidth Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 21/35] writeback: trace balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 22/35] writeback: trace global dirty page states Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17  2:19   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17  3:11     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17  6:52     ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-17  9:31       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17 11:21       ` [PATCH] writeback: skip balance_dirty_pages() for in-memory fs Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17 14:21         ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-17 15:34         ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-17 15:42           ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-21  5:59         ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-21  9:39           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-30  3:15             ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 23/35] writeback: trace writeback_single_inode() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 24/35] btrfs: dont call balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited() on already dirty pages Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 25/35] btrfs: lower the dirty balacing rate limit Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 26/35] btrfs: wait on too many nr_async_bios Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 27/35] nfs: livelock prevention is now done in VFS Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 28/35] nfs: writeback pages wait queue Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 29/35] nfs: in-commit pages accounting and " Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 21:15   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-14 15:40     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 15:57       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-15 15:07         ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 30/35] nfs: heuristics to avoid commit Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 20:53   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-14  8:20     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 31/35] nfs: dont change wbc->nr_to_write in write_inode() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 21:01   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-14 15:53     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 32/35] nfs: limit the range of commits Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 33/35] nfs: adapt congestion threshold to dirty threshold Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 34/35] nfs: trace nfs_commit_unstable_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 35/35] nfs: trace nfs_commit_release() Wu Fengguang
     [not found] ` <AANLkTinFeu7LMaDFgUcP3r2oqVHE5bei3T5JTPGBNvS9@mail.gmail.com>
2010-12-14  4:59   ` [PATCH 00/35] IO-less dirty throttling v4 Wu Fengguang

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