From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/35] writeback: enabling gate limit for light dirtied bdi
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:43:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110112214303.GC14260@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101213150326.480108782@intel.com>
Hi Fengguang,
On Mon 13-12-10 22:46:47, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> I noticed that my NFSROOT test system goes slow responding when there
> is heavy dd to a local disk. Traces show that the NFSROOT's bdi limit
> is near 0 and many tasks in the system are repeatedly stuck in
> balance_dirty_pages().
>
> There are two generic problems:
>
> - light dirtiers at one device (more often than not the rootfs) get
> heavily impacted by heavy dirtiers on another independent device
>
> - the light dirtied device does heavy throttling because bdi limit=0,
> and the heavy throttling may in turn withhold its bdi limit in 0 as
> it cannot dirty fast enough to grow up the bdi's proportional weight.
>
> Fix it by introducing some "low pass" gate, which is a small (<=32MB)
> value reserved by others and can be safely "stole" from the current
> global dirty margin. It does not need to be big to help the bdi gain
> its initial weight.
I'm sorry for a late reply but I didn't get earlier to your patches...
...
> -unsigned long bdi_dirty_limit(struct backing_dev_info *bdi, unsigned long dirty)
> + *
> + * There is a chicken and egg problem: when bdi A (eg. /pub) is heavy dirtied
> + * and bdi B (eg. /) is light dirtied hence has 0 dirty limit, tasks writing to
> + * B always get heavily throttled and bdi B's dirty limit might never be able
> + * to grow up from 0. So we do tricks to reserve some global margin and honour
> + * it to the bdi's that run low.
> + */
> +unsigned long bdi_dirty_limit(struct backing_dev_info *bdi,
> + unsigned long dirty,
> + unsigned long dirty_pages)
> {
> u64 bdi_dirty;
> long numerator, denominator;
>
> /*
> + * Provide a global safety margin of ~1%, or up to 32MB for a 20GB box.
> + */
> + dirty -= min(dirty / 128, 32768UL >> (PAGE_SHIFT-10));
> +
> + /*
> * Calculate this BDI's share of the dirty ratio.
> */
> bdi_writeout_fraction(bdi, &numerator, &denominator);
> @@ -459,6 +472,15 @@ unsigned long bdi_dirty_limit(struct bac
> do_div(bdi_dirty, denominator);
>
> bdi_dirty += (dirty * bdi->min_ratio) / 100;
> +
> + /*
> + * If we can dirty N more pages globally, honour N/2 to the bdi that
> + * runs low, so as to help it ramp up.
> + */
> + if (unlikely(bdi_dirty < (dirty - dirty_pages) / 2 &&
> + dirty > dirty_pages))
> + bdi_dirty = (dirty - dirty_pages) / 2;
> +
I wonder how well this works - have you tried that? Because from my naive
understanding if we have say two drives - sda, sdb. Someone is banging sda
really hard (several processes writing to the disk as fast as they can), then
we are really close to dirty limit anyway and thus we won't give much space
for sdb to ramp up it's writeout fraction... Didn't you intend to use
'dirty' without the safety margin subtracted in the above condition? That
would then make more sense to me (i.e. those 32MB are then used as the
ramp-up area).
If I'm right in the above, maybe you could simplify the above condition to:
if (bdi_dirty < margin)
bdi_dirty = margin;
Effectively it seems rather similar to me and it's immediately obvious how
it behales. Global limit is enforced anyway so the logic just differs in
the number of dirtiers on ramping-up bdi you need to suck out the margin.
Honza
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Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-12 21:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-12-13 14:46 [PATCH 00/35] IO-less dirty throttling v4 Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 01/35] writeback: enabling gate limit for light dirtied bdi Wu Fengguang
2011-01-12 21:43 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2011-01-13 3:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-01-13 3:58 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-01-13 19:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-14 3:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 02/35] writeback: safety margin for bdi stat error Wu Fengguang
2011-01-12 21:59 ` Jan Kara
2011-01-13 4:14 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-01-13 10:38 ` Jan Kara
2011-01-13 10:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 03/35] writeback: prevent duplicate balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited() calls Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 04/35] writeback: reduce per-bdi dirty threshold ramp up time Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 13:37 ` Richard Kennedy
2010-12-14 13:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:33 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:39 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-14 15:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 15:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 14:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-15 18:48 ` Richard Kennedy
2010-12-17 13:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 05/35] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 06/35] writeback: consolidate variable names in balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 07/35] writeback: per-task rate limit on balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 08/35] writeback: user space think time compensation Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 09/35] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated written pages Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 10/35] writeback: bdi write bandwidth estimation Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 11/35] writeback: show bdi write bandwidth in debugfs Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 12/35] writeback: scale down max throttle bandwidth on concurrent dirtiers Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 1:21 ` Yan, Zheng
2010-12-14 7:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 13:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:46 ` [PATCH 13/35] writeback: bdi base throttle bandwidth Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 14/35] writeback: smoothed bdi dirty pages Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 15/35] writeback: adapt max balance pause time to memory size Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 16/35] writeback: increase min pause time on concurrent dirtiers Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 18:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-14 6:51 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 18:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-14 18:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-14 20:13 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-14 20:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-14 20:37 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 17/35] writeback: quit throttling when bdi dirty pages dropped low Wu Fengguang
2010-12-16 5:17 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 18/35] writeback: start background writeback earlier Wu Fengguang
2010-12-16 5:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 19/35] writeback: make nr_to_write a per-file limit Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 20/35] writeback: scale IO chunk size up to device bandwidth Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 21/35] writeback: trace balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 22/35] writeback: trace global dirty page states Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17 2:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17 3:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17 6:52 ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-17 9:31 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17 11:21 ` [PATCH] writeback: skip balance_dirty_pages() for in-memory fs Wu Fengguang
2010-12-17 14:21 ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-17 15:34 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-17 15:42 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-21 5:59 ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-21 9:39 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-30 3:15 ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 23/35] writeback: trace writeback_single_inode() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 24/35] btrfs: dont call balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited() on already dirty pages Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 25/35] btrfs: lower the dirty balacing rate limit Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 26/35] btrfs: wait on too many nr_async_bios Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 27/35] nfs: livelock prevention is now done in VFS Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 28/35] nfs: writeback pages wait queue Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 29/35] nfs: in-commit pages accounting and " Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 21:15 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-14 15:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-14 15:57 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-15 15:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 30/35] nfs: heuristics to avoid commit Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 20:53 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-14 8:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 31/35] nfs: dont change wbc->nr_to_write in write_inode() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 21:01 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-14 15:53 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 32/35] nfs: limit the range of commits Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 33/35] nfs: adapt congestion threshold to dirty threshold Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 34/35] nfs: trace nfs_commit_unstable_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-12-13 14:47 ` [PATCH 35/35] nfs: trace nfs_commit_release() Wu Fengguang
[not found] ` <AANLkTinFeu7LMaDFgUcP3r2oqVHE5bei3T5JTPGBNvS9@mail.gmail.com>
2010-12-14 4:59 ` [PATCH 00/35] IO-less dirty throttling v4 Wu Fengguang
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