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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] fs: aio fix rcu lookup
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:22:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110121212245.GN17752@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1295554555.2613.15.camel@edumazet-laptop>

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 09:15:55PM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Le jeudi 20 janvier 2011 à 12:02 -0800, Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 05:31:53AM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > > call_rcu() is the obvious alternative, yes.
> > > 
> > > Basically, once we give in to synchronize_rcu() we're basically giving
> > > up. That's certainly a very good tradeoff for something like filesystem
> > > unregistration or module unload, it buys big simplifications in real
> > > fastpaths. But I just don't think it should be taken lightly.
> > 
> > Makes sense to me!
> > 
> > BTW, on your earlier usage classification:
> > 
> > > I think synchronize_rcu should firstly not be used unless it gives a good
> > > simplification, or speedup in fastpath.
> > >
> > > When that is satified, then it is a question of exactly what kind of slow
> > > path it should be used in. I don't think it should be used in process-
> > > synchronous code (eg syscalls) except for error cases, resource
> > > exhaustion, management syscalls (like module unload).
> > 
> > I don't have any feedback either way on your guidance to where
> > synchronize_rcu() should be used, as I believe that it depends a lot
> > on the details of usage, and would vary from one part of the kernel
> > to another, and possibly also over time.
> > 
> 
> Sometime, a mixture of call_rcu() and synchronize_rcu() is used, to have
> a limit on pending callbacks (eating too much memory)
> 
> net/ipv4/fib_trie.c for example issues call_rcu() most of the time, but
> is able to trigger one synchronize_rcu() if more than XXX (128) pages of
> memory were queued in rcu queues.
> 
> For details, check commit c3059477fce2d956
> (ipv4: Use synchronize_rcu() during trie_rebalance())

Good point!

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-21 21:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-14  1:35 [patch] fs: aio fix rcu lookup Nick Piggin
2011-01-14 14:52 ` Jeff Moyer
2011-01-14 15:00   ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-17 19:07     ` Jeff Moyer
2011-01-17 23:24       ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-18 17:21         ` Jeff Moyer
2011-01-18 19:01         ` Jan Kara
2011-01-18 22:17           ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-18 23:00             ` Jeff Moyer
2011-01-18 23:05               ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-18 23:52             ` Jan Kara
2011-01-19  0:20               ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-19 13:21                 ` Jan Kara
2011-01-19 16:03                   ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-19 16:50                     ` Jan Kara
2011-01-19 17:37                       ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-20 20:21                         ` Jan Kara
2011-01-19 19:13                   ` Jeff Moyer
2011-01-19 19:46                     ` Jeff Moyer
2011-01-19 20:18                       ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-19 20:32                         ` Jeff Moyer
2011-01-19 20:45                           ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-19 21:03                             ` Jeff Moyer
2011-01-19 21:20                               ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-20  4:03                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-01-20 18:31                                   ` Nick Piggin
2011-01-20 20:02                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-01-20 20:15                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-01-21 21:22                                         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2011-01-20 20:16                                     ` Jan Kara
2011-01-20 21:16                                       ` Jeff Moyer
2011-02-01 16:24                                       ` Jan Kara

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