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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	Daisuke Nishimura <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
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	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Chad Talbott <ctalbott@google.com>,
	Justin TerAvest <teravest@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/9] memcg: per cgroup dirty page accounting
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:23:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110315212339.GC5740@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinDNOLMdU7EEMPFkC_f9edCx7ZFc7=qLRNAEmBM@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 07:41:13PM -0700, Greg Thelen wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:29:17AM -0700, Greg Thelen wrote:
> >
> > [..]
> >> > We could just crawl the memcg's page LRU and bring things under control
> >> > that way, couldn't we?  That would fix it.  What were the reasons for
> >> > not doing this?
> >>
> >> My rational for pursuing bdi writeback was I/O locality.  I have heard that
> >> per-page I/O has bad locality.  Per inode bdi-style writeback should have better
> >> locality.
> >>
> >> My hunch is the best solution is a hybrid which uses a) bdi writeback with a
> >> target memcg filter and b) using the memcg lru as a fallback to identify the bdi
> >> that needed writeback.  I think the part a) memcg filtering is likely something
> >> like:
> >>  http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=129910424431837
> >>
> >> The part b) bdi selection should not be too hard assuming that page-to-mapping
> >> locking is doable.
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > IIUC, option b) seems to be going through pages of particular memcg and
> > mapping page to inode and start writeback on particular inode?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > If yes, this might be reasonably good. In the case when cgroups are not
> > sharing inodes then it automatically maps one inode to one cgroup and
> > once cgroup is over limit, it starts writebacks of its own inode.
> >
> > In case inode is shared, then we get the case of one cgroup writting
> > back the pages of other cgroup. Well I guess that also can be handeled
> > by flusher thread where a bunch or group of pages can be compared with
> > the cgroup passed in writeback structure. I guess that might hurt us
> > more than benefit us.
> 
> Agreed.  For now just writing the entire inode is probably fine.
> 
> > IIUC how option b) works then we don't even need option a) where an N level
> > deep cache is maintained?
> 
> Originally I was thinking that bdi-wide writeback with memcg filter
> was a good idea.  But this may be unnecessarily complex.  Now I am
> agreeing with you that option (a) may not be needed.  Memcg could
> queue per-inode writeback using the memcg lru to locate inodes
> (lru->page->inode) with something like this in
> [mem_cgroup_]balance_dirty_pages():
> 
>   while (memcg_usage() >= memcg_fg_limit) {
>     inode = memcg_dirty_inode(cg);  /* scan lru for a dirty page, then
> grab mapping & inode */
>     sync_inode(inode, &wbc);
>   }

Is it possible to pass mem_cgroup in writeback_control structure or in
work structure which in turn will be set in writeback_control.  And
modify writeback_inodes_wb() which will look that ->mem_cgroup is
set. So instead of calling queue_io() it can call memcg_queue_io()
and then memory cgroup can look at lru list and take its own decision
on which inodes needs to be pushed for IO?

Thanks
Vivek

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-03-15 21:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-11 18:43 [PATCH v6 0/9] memcg: per cgroup dirty page accounting Greg Thelen
2011-03-11 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] memcg: document cgroup dirty memory interfaces Greg Thelen
2011-03-14 14:50   ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-11 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] memcg: add page_cgroup flags for dirty page tracking Greg Thelen
2011-03-11 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] memcg: add dirty page accounting infrastructure Greg Thelen
2011-03-14 14:56   ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-11 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] memcg: add kernel calls for memcg dirty page stats Greg Thelen
2011-03-14 15:10   ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-15  6:32     ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-15 13:50       ` Ryusuke Konishi
2011-03-11 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] memcg: add dirty limits to mem_cgroup Greg Thelen
2011-03-11 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] memcg: add cgroupfs interface to memcg dirty limits Greg Thelen
2011-03-14 15:16   ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-15 14:01   ` Mike Heffner
2011-03-16  0:00     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-16  0:50     ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-11 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] memcg: add dirty limiting routines Greg Thelen
2011-03-11 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] memcg: check memcg dirty limits in page writeback Greg Thelen
2011-03-14 17:54   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-14 17:59     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-14 21:10     ` Jan Kara
2011-03-15  3:27       ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-15 23:12         ` Jan Kara
2011-03-16  2:35           ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-16 12:35             ` Jan Kara
2011-03-16 18:07               ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-15 16:20       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-11 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] memcg: make background writeback memcg aware Greg Thelen
2011-03-15 22:54   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-16  1:00     ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-12  1:10 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] memcg: per cgroup dirty page accounting Andrew Morton
2011-03-14 18:29   ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-14 20:23     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-15  2:41       ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-15 18:48         ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-16 13:13           ` Johannes Weiner
2011-03-16 14:59             ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-16 16:35               ` Johannes Weiner
2011-03-16 17:06                 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-16 21:19             ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-16 21:52               ` Johannes Weiner
2011-03-17  4:41                 ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-17 12:43                   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-03-17 14:49                     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-17 14:53                     ` Jan Kara
2011-03-17 15:42                       ` Curt Wohlgemuth
2011-03-18  7:57                     ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-18 14:50                       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-23  9:06                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-18 14:29                     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-18 14:46                       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-03-17 14:46                   ` Jan Kara
2011-03-17 17:12                     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-17 17:59                       ` Jan Kara
2011-03-17 18:15                         ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-15 21:23         ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2011-03-15 23:11           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-03-15  1:56     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-15  2:51       ` Greg Thelen
2011-03-15  2:54         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-16 12:45 ` Johannes Weiner

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