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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/17] writeback: introduce .tagged_sync for the WB_SYNC_NONE sync stage
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:43:06 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110515234306.GO19446@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110513025607.GA8016@localhost>

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:56:08AM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 06:40:13AM +0800, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 09:57:07PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > sync(2) is performed in two stages: the WB_SYNC_NONE sync and the
> > > WB_SYNC_ALL sync. Tag the first stage with wbc.tagged_sync and do
> > > livelock prevention for it, too.
> > > 
> > > Note that writeback_inodes_sb() is called by not only sync(), they are
> > > treated the same because the other callers also need livelock prevention.
> > > 
> > > Impact:  It changes the order in which pages/inodes are synced to disk.
> > > Now in the WB_SYNC_NONE stage, it won't proceed to write the next inode
> > > until finished with the current inode.
> > 
> > What about all the filesystems that implement their own
> > .writepages()/write_cache_pages() functions or have
> > have special code that checks WB_SYNC_ALL in .writepages (e.g. gfs2,
> > ext4, btrfs and perhaps others). Don't they all need to be aware of
> > this tagged_sync field?
> 
> Right, good point. Currently only ext4 is updated. The other
> filesystems --- afs, btrfs, cifs, gfs2 --- do not even use
> PAGECACHE_TAG_TOWRITE for livelock prevention. My plan was to add
> PAGECACHE_TAG_TOWRITE and tagged_sync code to them as the next step,
> when tagged_sync is accepted and proved to work fine.

Where "proved to work fine" can mean "caused regressions for certain
filesystems"? I mean, for btrfs it means that the bio is submitted
with WRITE rather than WRITE_SYNC, which causes subtle changes of
behaviour in the elevator. that could cause strange regressions that
are very hard to isolate.

Hence regardless of whether filesystems use PAGECACHE_TAG_TOWRITE
or not, filesystems are checking for synchronous writeback for
a reason. If we now have two different ways of signalling sync
writeback they need to know about them.

Which just raised the question in my mind - why did you add a new
field rather than a new sync_mode definition? After all, this is a
new sync control, and it seems clumsy to me to have two separate
control fields for defining sync behaviour...

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-15 23:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-12 13:57 [PATCH 00/17] writeback fixes and cleanups for 2.6.40 (v2) Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 01/17] writeback: introduce .tagged_sync for the WB_SYNC_NONE sync stage Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 22:40   ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13  2:56     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-13 10:17       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-15 23:43       ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2011-05-16  5:39         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-19 21:17           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 02/17] writeback: update dirtied_when for synced inode to prevent livelock Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 22:42   ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13  3:08     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-19 21:31       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-23 13:14         ` Jan Kara
2011-05-24  3:03           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 03/17] writeback: introduce writeback_control.inodes_cleaned Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 22:44   ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13  3:36     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-15 23:50       ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-16 10:40         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-16 11:14           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 04/17] writeback: try more writeback as long as something was written Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 05/17] writeback: the kupdate expire timestamp should be a moving target Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 06/17] writeback: sync expired inodes first in background writeback Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 22:55   ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-16 13:00     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 07/17] writeback: refill b_io iff empty Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 08/17] writeback: split inode_wb_list_lock into bdi_writeback.list_lock Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 09/17] writeback: elevate queue_io() into wb_writeback() Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 10/17] writeback: avoid extra sync work at enqueue time Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 11/17] writeback: add bdi_dirty_limit() kernel-doc Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 12/17] writeback: skip balance_dirty_pages() for in-memory fs Wu Fengguang
2011-05-16 10:43   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-16 10:49     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 13/17] writeback: remove writeback_control.more_io Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 14:25   ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12 23:04   ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13  5:03     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-15 23:54       ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 14/17] writeback: make writeback_control.nr_to_write straight Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 14:56   ` Jan Kara
2011-05-12 23:18   ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13  5:28     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-16  0:12       ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-16 12:05         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 15/17] writeback: remove .nonblocking and .encountered_congestion Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 16/17] writeback: trace event writeback_single_inode Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 23:20   ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13  5:37     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-16  0:14       ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-16 12:21         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 17/17] writeback: trace event writeback_queue_io Wu Fengguang

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