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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:43:54 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110812024353.GA11606@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1313103367.26866.39.camel@twins>

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 06:56:06AM +0800, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 19:20 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > So going by:
> > 
> >                                          write_bw
> >   ref_bw = dirty_ratelimit * pos_ratio * --------
> >                                          dirty_bw
> > 
> > pos_ratio seems to be the feedback on the deviation of the dirty pages
> > around its setpoint. So we adjust the reference bw (or rather ratelimit)
> > to take account of the shift in output vs input capacity as well as the
> > shift in dirty pages around its setpoint.
> > 
> > From that we derive the condition that: 
> > 
> >   pos_ratio(setpoint) := 1
> > 
> > Now in order to create a linear function we need one more condition. We
> > get one from the fact that once we hit the limit we should hard throttle
> > our writers. We get that by setting the ratelimit to 0, because, after
> > all, pause = nr_dirtied / ratelimit would yield inf. in that case. Thus:
> > 
> >   pos_ratio(limit) := 0
> > 
> > Using these two conditions we can solve the equations and get your:
> > 
> >                         limit - dirty
> >   pos_ratio(dirty) =  ----------------
> >                       limit - setpoint
> > 
> > Now, for some reason you chose not to use limit, but something like
> > min(limit, 4*thresh) something to do with the slope affecting the rate
> > of adjustment. This wants a comment someplace. 
> 
> Ok, so I think that pos_ratio(limit) := 0, is a stronger condition than
> your negative slope (df/dx < 0), simply because it implies your
> condition and because it expresses our hard stop at limit.

Right. That's good point.

> Also, while I know this is totally over the top, but..
> 
> I saw you added a ramp and brake area in future patches, so have you
> considered using a third order polynomial instead?

No I have not ;)

The 3 lines/curves should be a bit more flexible/configurable than the
single 3rd order polynomial.  However the 3rd order polynomial is sure
much more simple and consistent by removing the explicit rampup/brake
areas and curves.

> The simple:
> 
>  f(x) = -x^3 
> 
> has the 'right' shape, all we need is move it so that:
> 
>  f(s) = 1
> 
> and stretch it to put the single root at our limit. You'd get something
> like:
> 
>                s - x 3
>  f(x) :=  1 + (-----)
>                  d
> 
> Which, as required, is 1 at our setpoint and the factor d stretches the
> middle bit. Which has a single (real) root at: 
> 
>   x = s + d, 
> 
> by setting that to our limit, we get:
> 
>   d = l - s
> 
> Making our final function look like:
> 
>                s - x 3
>  f(x) :=  1 + (-----)
>                l - s

Very intuitive reasoning, thanks!

I substituted real numbers to the function assuming a mem=2GB system.

with limit=thresh:

        gnuplot> set xrange [60000:80000]
        gnuplot> plot 1 +  (70000.0 - x)**3/(80000-70000.0)**3

with limit=thresh+thresh/DIRTY_SCOPE

        gnuplot> set xrange [60000:90000]
        gnuplot> plot 1 +  (70000.0 - x)**3/(90000-70000.0)**3

Figures attached.  The latter produces reasonably flat slope and I'll
give it a spin in the dd tests :)
 
> You can clamp it at [0,2] or so.

Looking at the figures, we may even do without the clamp because it's
already inside the range [0, 2].

> The implementation wouldn't be too horrid either, something like:
> 
> unsigned long bdi_pos_ratio(..)
> {
> 	if (dirty > limit)
> 		return 0;
> 
> 	if (dirty < 2*setpoint - limit)
> 		return 2 * SCALE;
> 
> 	x = SCALE * (setpoint - dirty) / (limit - setpoint);
> 	xx = (x * x) / SCALE;
> 	xxx = (xx * x) / SCALE;
> 
> 	return xxx;
> }

Looks very neat, much simpler than the three curves solution!

Thanks,
Fengguang

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-12  2:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-06  8:44 [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8 Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 1/5] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated dirtied pages Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 13:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:11     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 22:47         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09  9:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 12:28             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 23:05         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 10:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 22:34             ` Jan Kara
2011-08-11  2:29               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 11:14                 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-16  8:35                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:19             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 21:40           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16  8:55             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 22:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12  2:43             ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2011-08-12  3:18               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12  5:45               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12  9:45                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:07                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:17                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12  9:47               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:11                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:59             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:04           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 14:20             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-22 15:38               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23  3:40                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 10:01                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 14:15                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 17:47                       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-24  0:12                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 16:12                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26  0:18                             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26  9:04                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:04                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 10:42                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:52                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 11:26                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 12:11                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 12:20                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:13                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:18                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 13:24                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 18:00                           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-25  3:19                             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-25 22:20                               ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-26  1:56                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26  8:56                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26  9:53                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-29 13:12                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-29 13:37                               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-02 12:16                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06 12:40                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 15:57                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-25  5:30                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 14:36                     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09  2:08   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16  8:59     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 3/5] writeback: dirty rate control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 14:54   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11  3:42     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 14:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 11:07     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 16:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-15 14:08         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 15:50   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 16:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:07         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:00       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 17:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-15 14:11           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 16:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:10     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 17:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:15     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 4/5] writeback: per task dirty rate limit Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 14:35   ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07  6:19     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 13:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:21     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 23:32       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:23     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 22:38         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-13 16:28       ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-15 14:21         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-15 14:26           ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-09 17:46   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10  3:29     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 18:18       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11  0:55         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 18:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10  3:40     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 10:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 11:13         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 5/5] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 14:48   ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07  6:44     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 16:46   ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07  7:18     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07  9:50       ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-09 18:15   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 18:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10  3:22       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10  3:26     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 19:16   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10  4:33     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09  2:01 ` [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8 Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09  5:55   ` Dave Chinner
2011-08-09 14:04     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10  7:41       ` Greg Thelen
2011-08-10 18:40         ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11  3:21   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 20:42     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 21:00       ` Vivek Goyal
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-08-16  2:20 [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v9 Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16  2:20 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 19:41   ` Jan Kara
2011-08-17 13:23     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 13:49       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 20:24       ` Jan Kara
2011-08-18  4:18         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18  4:41           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18 19:16           ` Jan Kara
2011-08-24  3:16         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-19  2:53   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-19  3:25     ` Wu Fengguang

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