From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:43:54 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110812024353.GA11606@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1313103367.26866.39.camel@twins>
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 06:56:06AM +0800, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 19:20 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > So going by:
> >
> > write_bw
> > ref_bw = dirty_ratelimit * pos_ratio * --------
> > dirty_bw
> >
> > pos_ratio seems to be the feedback on the deviation of the dirty pages
> > around its setpoint. So we adjust the reference bw (or rather ratelimit)
> > to take account of the shift in output vs input capacity as well as the
> > shift in dirty pages around its setpoint.
> >
> > From that we derive the condition that:
> >
> > pos_ratio(setpoint) := 1
> >
> > Now in order to create a linear function we need one more condition. We
> > get one from the fact that once we hit the limit we should hard throttle
> > our writers. We get that by setting the ratelimit to 0, because, after
> > all, pause = nr_dirtied / ratelimit would yield inf. in that case. Thus:
> >
> > pos_ratio(limit) := 0
> >
> > Using these two conditions we can solve the equations and get your:
> >
> > limit - dirty
> > pos_ratio(dirty) = ----------------
> > limit - setpoint
> >
> > Now, for some reason you chose not to use limit, but something like
> > min(limit, 4*thresh) something to do with the slope affecting the rate
> > of adjustment. This wants a comment someplace.
>
> Ok, so I think that pos_ratio(limit) := 0, is a stronger condition than
> your negative slope (df/dx < 0), simply because it implies your
> condition and because it expresses our hard stop at limit.
Right. That's good point.
> Also, while I know this is totally over the top, but..
>
> I saw you added a ramp and brake area in future patches, so have you
> considered using a third order polynomial instead?
No I have not ;)
The 3 lines/curves should be a bit more flexible/configurable than the
single 3rd order polynomial. However the 3rd order polynomial is sure
much more simple and consistent by removing the explicit rampup/brake
areas and curves.
> The simple:
>
> f(x) = -x^3
>
> has the 'right' shape, all we need is move it so that:
>
> f(s) = 1
>
> and stretch it to put the single root at our limit. You'd get something
> like:
>
> s - x 3
> f(x) := 1 + (-----)
> d
>
> Which, as required, is 1 at our setpoint and the factor d stretches the
> middle bit. Which has a single (real) root at:
>
> x = s + d,
>
> by setting that to our limit, we get:
>
> d = l - s
>
> Making our final function look like:
>
> s - x 3
> f(x) := 1 + (-----)
> l - s
Very intuitive reasoning, thanks!
I substituted real numbers to the function assuming a mem=2GB system.
with limit=thresh:
gnuplot> set xrange [60000:80000]
gnuplot> plot 1 + (70000.0 - x)**3/(80000-70000.0)**3
with limit=thresh+thresh/DIRTY_SCOPE
gnuplot> set xrange [60000:90000]
gnuplot> plot 1 + (70000.0 - x)**3/(90000-70000.0)**3
Figures attached. The latter produces reasonably flat slope and I'll
give it a spin in the dd tests :)
> You can clamp it at [0,2] or so.
Looking at the figures, we may even do without the clamp because it's
already inside the range [0, 2].
> The implementation wouldn't be too horrid either, something like:
>
> unsigned long bdi_pos_ratio(..)
> {
> if (dirty > limit)
> return 0;
>
> if (dirty < 2*setpoint - limit)
> return 2 * SCALE;
>
> x = SCALE * (setpoint - dirty) / (limit - setpoint);
> xx = (x * x) / SCALE;
> xxx = (xx * x) / SCALE;
>
> return xxx;
> }
Looks very neat, much simpler than the three curves solution!
Thanks,
Fengguang
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Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-06 8:44 [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8 Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 1/5] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated dirtied pages Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 13:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 22:47 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 9:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 12:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 23:05 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 10:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 22:34 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-11 2:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 11:14 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-16 8:35 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 21:40 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16 8:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 22:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 2:43 ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2011-08-12 3:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 5:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 9:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 14:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-22 15:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 3:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 14:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 17:47 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-24 0:12 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 16:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 0:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 9:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:04 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 10:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:52 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 11:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 12:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 12:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 13:24 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 18:00 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-25 3:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-25 22:20 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-26 1:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 8:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 9:53 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-29 13:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-29 13:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-02 12:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06 12:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 15:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-25 5:30 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 14:36 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 2:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16 8:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 3/5] writeback: dirty rate control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 14:54 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 3:42 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 14:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 11:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-15 14:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 15:50 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 16:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 17:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-15 14:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 16:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:10 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 17:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 4/5] writeback: per task dirty rate limit Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 14:35 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07 6:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 13:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 23:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:23 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 22:38 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-13 16:28 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-15 14:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-15 14:26 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-09 17:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 3:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 18:18 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 0:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 18:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 3:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 11:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 5/5] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 14:48 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07 6:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 16:46 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07 7:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07 9:50 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-09 18:15 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 18:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 3:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 3:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 19:16 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 4:33 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 2:01 ` [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8 Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 5:55 ` Dave Chinner
2011-08-09 14:04 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 7:41 ` Greg Thelen
2011-08-10 18:40 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 3:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 20:42 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 21:00 ` Vivek Goyal
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-08-16 2:20 [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v9 Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 2:20 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 19:41 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-17 13:23 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 13:49 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 20:24 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-18 4:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18 4:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18 19:16 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-24 3:16 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-19 2:53 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-19 3:25 ` Wu Fengguang
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