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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:41:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110816194112.GA25517@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110816022328.811348370@intel.com>

  Hello Fengguang,

  this patch is much easier to read than in older versions! Good work!

> +static unsigned long bdi_position_ratio(struct backing_dev_info *bdi,
> +					unsigned long thresh,
> +					unsigned long bg_thresh,
> +					unsigned long dirty,
> +					unsigned long bdi_thresh,
> +					unsigned long bdi_dirty)
> +{
> +	unsigned long freerun = dirty_freerun_ceiling(thresh, bg_thresh);
> +	unsigned long limit = hard_dirty_limit(thresh);
> +	unsigned long x_intercept;
> +	unsigned long setpoint;		/* the target balance point */
> +	unsigned long span;
> +	long long pos_ratio;		/* for scaling up/down the rate limit */
> +	long x;
> +
> +	if (unlikely(dirty >= limit))
> +		return 0;
> +
> +	/*
> +	 * global setpoint
> +	 *
> +	 *                         setpoint - dirty 3
> +	 *        f(dirty) := 1 + (----------------)
> +	 *                         limit - setpoint
> +	 *
> +	 * it's a 3rd order polynomial that subjects to
> +	 *
> +	 * (1) f(freerun)  = 2.0 => rampup base_rate reasonably fast
> +	 * (2) f(setpoint) = 1.0 => the balance point
> +	 * (3) f(limit)    = 0   => the hard limit
> +	 * (4) df/dx       < 0	 => negative feedback control
> +	 * (5) the closer to setpoint, the smaller |df/dx| (and the reverse)
> +	 *     => fast response on large errors; small oscillation near setpoint
> +	 */
> +	setpoint = (freerun + limit) / 2;
> +	x = div_s64((setpoint - dirty) << RATELIMIT_CALC_SHIFT,
> +		    limit - setpoint + 1);
> +	pos_ratio = x;
> +	pos_ratio = pos_ratio * x >> RATELIMIT_CALC_SHIFT;
> +	pos_ratio = pos_ratio * x >> RATELIMIT_CALC_SHIFT;
> +	pos_ratio += 1 << RATELIMIT_CALC_SHIFT;
> +
> +	/*
> +	 * bdi setpoint
> +	 *
> +	 *        f(dirty) := 1.0 + k * (dirty - setpoint)
> +	 *
> +	 * The main bdi control line is a linear function that subjects to
> +	 *
> +	 * (1) f(setpoint) = 1.0
> +	 * (2) k = - 1 / (8 * write_bw)  (in single bdi case)
> +	 *     or equally: x_intercept = setpoint + 8 * write_bw
> +	 *
> +	 * For single bdi case, the dirty pages are observed to fluctuate
> +	 * regularly within range
> +	 *        [setpoint - write_bw/2, setpoint + write_bw/2]
> +	 * for various filesystems, where (2) can yield in a reasonable 12.5%
> +	 * fluctuation range for pos_ratio.
> +	 *
> +	 * For JBOD case, bdi_thresh (not bdi_dirty!) could fluctuate up to its
> +	 * own size, so move the slope over accordingly.
> +	 */
> +	if (unlikely(bdi_thresh > thresh))
> +		bdi_thresh = thresh;
> +	/*
> +	 * scale global setpoint to bdi's:  setpoint *= bdi_thresh / thresh
> +	 */
> +	x = div_u64((u64)bdi_thresh << 16, thresh | 1);
> +	setpoint = setpoint * (u64)x >> 16;
> +	/*
> +	 * Use span=(4*write_bw) in single bdi case as indicated by
> +	 * (thresh - bdi_thresh ~= 0) and transit to bdi_thresh in JBOD case.
> +	 */
> +	span = div_u64((u64)bdi_thresh * (thresh - bdi_thresh) +
> +		       (u64)(4 * bdi->avg_write_bandwidth) * bdi_thresh,
> +		       thresh + 1);
  I think you can slightly simplify this to:
(thresh - bdi_thresh + 4 * bdi->avg_write_bandwidth) * (u64)x >> 16;


> +	x_intercept = setpoint + 2 * span;
  What if x_intercept >  bdi_thresh? Since 8*bdi->avg_write_bandwidth is
easily 500 MB, that happens quite often I imagine?

> +
> +	if (unlikely(bdi_dirty > setpoint + span)) {
> +		if (unlikely(bdi_dirty > limit))
> +			return 0;
  Shouldn't this be bdi_thresh instead of limit? I understand this is a
hard limit but with more bdis this condition is rather weak and almost
never true.

> +		if (x_intercept < limit) {
> +			x_intercept = limit;	/* auxiliary control line */
> +			setpoint += span;
> +			pos_ratio >>= 1;
> +		}
  And here you stretch the control area upto the global dirty limit. I
understand you maybe don't want to be really strict and cut control area at
bdi_thresh but your choice looks like too benevolent - when you have
several active bdi's with different speeds this will effectively erase
difference between them, won't it? E.g. with 10 bdi's (x_intercept -
bdi_dirty) / (x_intercept - setpoint) is going to be close to 1 unless
bdi_dirty really heavily exceeds bdi_thresh. So wouldn't it be better to
just make sure control area is reasonably large (e.g. at least 16 MB) to
allow BDI to ramp up it's bdi_thresh but don't extend it upto global dirty
limit?

> +	}
> +	pos_ratio *= x_intercept - bdi_dirty;
> +	do_div(pos_ratio, x_intercept - setpoint + 1);
> +
> +	return pos_ratio;
> +}
> +

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-16 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-16  2:20 [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v9 Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16  2:20 ` [PATCH 1/5] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated dirtied pages Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16  2:20 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 19:41   ` Jan Kara [this message]
2011-08-17 13:23     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 13:49       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 20:24       ` Jan Kara
2011-08-18  4:18         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18  4:41           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18 19:16           ` Jan Kara
2011-08-24  3:16         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-19  2:53   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-19  3:25     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16  2:20 ` [PATCH 3/5] writeback: dirty rate control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16  2:20 ` [PATCH 4/5] writeback: per task dirty rate limit Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16  7:17   ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-16  7:22     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16  2:20 ` [PATCH 5/5] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2011-08-19  2:06   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-19  2:54     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-19 19:00       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-21  3:46         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-22 17:22           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-23  1:07             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23  3:53               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 13:53               ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-24  3:09                 ` Wu Fengguang
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-08-06  8:44 [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8 Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 13:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:11     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 22:47         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09  9:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 12:28             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 23:05         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 10:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 22:34             ` Jan Kara
2011-08-11  2:29               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 11:14                 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-16  8:35                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:19             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 21:40           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16  8:55             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 22:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12  2:43             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12  3:18               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12  5:45               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12  9:45                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:07                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:17                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12  9:47               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:11                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:59             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:04           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 14:20             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-22 15:38               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23  3:40                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 10:01                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 14:15                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 17:47                       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-24  0:12                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 16:12                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26  0:18                             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26  9:04                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:04                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 10:42                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:52                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 11:26                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 12:11                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 12:20                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:13                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:18                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 13:24                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 18:00                           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-25  3:19                             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-25 22:20                               ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-26  1:56                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26  8:56                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26  9:53                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-29 13:12                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-29 13:37                               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-02 12:16                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06 12:40                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 15:57                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-25  5:30                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 14:36                     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09  2:08   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16  8:59     ` Wu Fengguang

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