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From: Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 3/5] mm: try to distribute dirty pages fairly across zones
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:55:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110930085539.GD30857@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOJsxLFWfH5zDG8ui=yQyOcZY_nXhK6r+ziapLg9Zhmb3ibuWQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:35:25AM +0300, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> Hi Johannes!
> 
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com> wrote:
> > But there is a flaw in that we have a zoned page allocator which does
> > not care about the global state but rather the state of individual
> > memory zones.  And right now there is nothing that prevents one zone
> > from filling up with dirty pages while other zones are spared, which
> > frequently leads to situations where kswapd, in order to restore the
> > watermark of free pages, does indeed have to write pages from that
> > zone's LRU list.  This can interfere so badly with IO from the flusher
> > threads that major filesystems (btrfs, xfs, ext4) mostly ignore write
> > requests from reclaim already, taking away the VM's only possibility
> > to keep such a zone balanced, aside from hoping the flushers will soon
> > clean pages from that zone.
> 
> The obvious question is: how did you test this? Can you share the results?

Meh, sorry about that, they were in the series introduction the last
time and I forgot to copy them over.

I did single-threaded, linear writing to an USB stick as the effect is
most pronounced with slow backing devices.

[ The write deferring on ext4 because of delalloc is so extreme that I
  could trigger it even with simple linear writers on a mediocre
  rotating disk, though.  I can not access the logfiles right now, but
  the nr_vmscan_writes went practically away here as well and runtime
  was unaffected with the patched kernel. ]

			Test results

15M DMA + 3246M DMA32 + 504M Normal = 3765M memory
40% dirty ratio, 10% background ratio
16G USB thumb drive
10 runs of dd if=/dev/zero of=disk/zeroes bs=32k count=$((10 << 15))

		seconds			nr_vmscan_write
		        (stddev)	       min|     median|        max
xfs
vanilla:	 549.747( 3.492)	     0.000|      0.000|      0.000
patched:	 550.996( 3.802)	     0.000|      0.000|      0.000

fuse-ntfs
vanilla:	1183.094(53.178)	 54349.000|  59341.000|  65163.000
patched:	 558.049(17.914)	     0.000|      0.000|     43.000

btrfs
vanilla:	 573.679(14.015)	156657.000| 460178.000| 606926.000
patched:	 563.365(11.368)	     0.000|      0.000|   1362.000

ext4
vanilla:	 561.197(15.782)	     0.000|2725438.000|4143837.000
patched:	 568.806(17.496)	     0.000|      0.000|      0.000

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-30  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-30  7:17 [patch 0/5] per-zone dirty limits v3 Johannes Weiner
2011-09-30  7:17 ` [patch 1/5] mm: exclude reserved pages from dirtyable memory Johannes Weiner
2011-09-30 13:53   ` Michal Hocko
2011-10-01  7:10   ` Minchan Kim
2011-10-03 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2011-09-30  7:17 ` [patch 2/5] mm: writeback: cleanups in preparation for per-zone dirty limits Johannes Weiner
2011-09-30 13:56   ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-30  7:17 ` [patch 3/5] mm: try to distribute dirty pages fairly across zones Johannes Weiner
2011-09-30  7:35   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-09-30  8:55     ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2011-09-30 14:28   ` Michal Hocko
2011-10-28 20:18     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-10-31 11:33       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-01 10:55         ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]     ` <20111027155618.GA25524@localhost>
     [not found]       ` <20111027161359.GA1319@redhat.com>
     [not found]         ` <20111027204743.GA19343@localhost>
     [not found]           ` <20111027221258.GA22869@localhost>
     [not found]             ` <20111027231933.GB1319@redhat.com>
2011-10-28 20:39               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-01 10:52                 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-09-30  7:17 ` [patch 4/5] mm: filemap: pass __GFP_WRITE from grab_cache_page_write_begin() Johannes Weiner
2011-09-30 14:41   ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-30  7:17 ` [patch 5/5] Btrfs: pass __GFP_WRITE for buffered write page allocations Johannes Weiner
2011-10-03 11:25   ` Mel Gorman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-11-23 13:34 [patch 0/5] mm: per-zone dirty limits v3-resend Johannes Weiner
2011-11-23 13:34 ` [patch 3/5] mm: try to distribute dirty pages fairly across zones Johannes Weiner
2011-11-24  1:07   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-11-24 13:11     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-25  1:00       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki

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