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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] fs: Make write(2) interruptible by a signal
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:05:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111123090533.GA22420@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111122142805.4e59faae.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 06:28:05AM +0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:44:21 +0800
> Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > Due to the (very low) possibility of data loss by partial writes, IMHO
> > it would safer to test this patch in linux-next until next merge window,
> 
> Any such bugs will not be discovered in linux-next testing.

Yup, I'm afraid.

> The only way to find these things in a reasonable period of time is to
> go in and find them.  For example, intensive fsx-linux testing with
> concurrent heavy memory pressure on various filesystems with various
> block sizes.  And of course concurrent signalling.  If you're talking
> about O_DIRECT then iirc I hacked support for that into fsx-linux.  I
> think.

How are we going to measure the success/failure? Check if it
eventually resulted in filesystem corruption or whatever?

When received SIGKILL, fsx-linux itself will just die.

> Anyway, what _are_ the scenarios in which we think data can be lost?

It's the vision that there may be partial writes on SIGKILL. Before
patch, the write will either succeed as a whole or not started at
all, depending on the timing of write/SIGKILL. This is kind of atomic
operation. However now the write can be half done.

If the application really cares about atomic behavior, it can do
create-and-rename. However there are always the possibility of broken
applications.

Maybe this is not that big problem as SIGKILL is considered be to
destructive already.

Thanks,
Fengguang

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-23  9:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-16 11:12 [PATCH 0/2 v3] Make task in balance_dirty_pages() killable Jan Kara
2011-11-16 11:12 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: " Jan Kara
2011-11-16 11:28   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-16 12:58     ` Jan Kara
2011-11-16 11:12 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs: Make write(2) interruptible by a signal Jan Kara
2011-11-16 11:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-16 12:54     ` Jan Kara
2011-11-16 13:11       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-22 22:28     ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-23  9:05       ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2011-11-23  9:50         ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-23 12:27           ` [PATCH 2/2] " Theodore Tso
2011-11-23 20:29             ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-24 19:27               ` Matthew Wilcox
2011-11-24 20:53                 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-11-25  0:10                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2011-11-24 20:53                 ` Jan Kara
2011-11-23 13:08         ` [PATCH 2/2] fs: " Jan Kara
2011-11-23 13:27           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-23 15:06             ` Theodore Tso
2011-11-28  3:08               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-28  3:33                 ` [PATCH] writeback: add a safety limit to the SIGKILL abort Wu Fengguang
2011-11-29 14:18                   ` Jan Kara
2011-11-29 14:16                 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs: Make write(2) interruptible by a signal Jan Kara
2011-11-16 11:23 ` [PATCH 0/2 v3] Make task in balance_dirty_pages() killable Wu Fengguang
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-11-14 16:15 [PATCH 0/2 v2] " Jan Kara
2011-11-14 16:15 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs: Make write(2) interruptible by a signal Jan Kara
2011-11-14 16:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-11-14 16:46     ` Jan Kara
2011-11-14 20:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-11-14 22:19   ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-15 11:23     ` Jan Kara
2011-11-14 11:10 [PATCH 0/2] Make task doing heavy writing killable Jan Kara
2011-11-14 11:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs: Make write(2) interruptible by a signal Jan Kara
2011-11-14 12:12   ` Matthew Wilcox
2011-11-14 12:15   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-14 12:34     ` Jan Kara
2011-11-14 14:16       ` Matthew Wilcox
2011-11-14 15:30         ` Jan Kara
2011-11-14 18:44           ` Jeremy Allison

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