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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] writeback: balanced_rate cannot exceed write bandwidth
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:17:09 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111123131709.GB22170@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111122210437.GH8058@quack.suse.cz>

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:04:37PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Tue 22-11-11 14:41:49, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 06:50:49AM +0800, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > On Mon 21-11-11 21:03:43, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > Add an upper limit to balanced_rate according to the below inequality.
> > > > This filters out some rare but huge singular points, which at least
> > > > enables more readable gnuplot figures.
> > > > 
> > > > When there are N dd dirtiers,
> > > > 
> > > > 	balanced_dirty_ratelimit = write_bw / N
> > > > 
> > > > So it holds that
> > > > 
> > > > 	balanced_dirty_ratelimit <= write_bw
> > >   The change makes sense, but do we understand why there are such huge
> > > singular points? Are they due to errors in estimation of bandwidth or due
> > > to errors in dirtying rate computations (e.g. due to truncates), or
> > > something else?
> > 
> > Good point. I'll add this to the changelog:
> > 
> > The singular points originate from dirty_rate in the below formular:
> > 
> >         balanced_dirty_ratelimit = task_ratelimit * write_bw / dirty_rate
> > where
> >         dirty_rate = (number of page dirties in the past 200ms) / 200ms
> > 
> > In the extreme case, if all dd tasks suddenly get blocked on something 
> > else and hence no pages are dirtied at all, dirty_rate will be 0 and
> > balanced_dirty_ratelimit will be inf. This could happen in reality.
> > 
> > There won't be tiny singular points though, as long as the dirty pages
> > lie inside the dirty control area (above the freerun region).
> > Because there the dd tasks will be throttled by balanced_dirty_pages()
> > and won't be able to suddenly dirty much more pages than average.
>   OK, I see. Thanks for explanation.

I'd like to comment that these huge singular points is not a real
threat, since they are _guaranteed_ to be filtered out by these lines
in bdi_update_dirty_ratelimit():

         * |task_ratelimit - dirty_ratelimit| is used to limit the step size
         * and filter out the sigular points of balanced_dirty_ratelimit. Which
         * keeps jumping around randomly and can even leap far away at times
         * due to the small 200ms estimation period of dirty_rate (we want to
         * keep that period small to reduce time lags).
         */
        step = 0;
        if (dirty < setpoint) {
                x = min(bdi->balanced_dirty_ratelimit,
==>                      min(balanced_dirty_ratelimit, task_ratelimit));
                if (dirty_ratelimit < x)
                        step = x - dirty_ratelimit;
        } else {
                x = max(bdi->balanced_dirty_ratelimit,
                         max(balanced_dirty_ratelimit, task_ratelimit));
                if (dirty_ratelimit > x)
                        step = dirty_ratelimit - x;
        }

The caveat is, task_ratelimit which is based on the number of dirty
pages will never _suddenly_ fly away like balanced_dirty_ratelimit.
So any weirdly large balanced_dirty_ratelimit will be cut down to the
level of task_ratelimit.

Thanks,
Fengguang

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-23 13:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-21 13:03 [PATCH 0/5] dirty throttling bits for 3.3 Wu Fengguang
2011-11-21 13:03 ` [PATCH 1/5] writeback: balanced_rate cannot exceed write bandwidth Wu Fengguang
2011-11-21 22:50   ` Jan Kara
2011-11-22  6:41     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-22 21:04       ` Jan Kara
2011-11-23 13:17         ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2011-11-21 13:03 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: charge leaked page dirties to active tasks Wu Fengguang
2011-11-21 21:49   ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-21 23:46     ` Jan Kara
2011-11-22 13:35     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-21 13:03 ` [PATCH 3/5] writeback: fix dirtied pages accounting on sub-page writes Wu Fengguang
2011-11-22  0:11   ` Jan Kara
2011-11-22  9:21     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-22 12:21       ` Jan Kara
2011-11-22 12:30         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-22 12:48           ` Jan Kara
2011-11-22 13:02             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-22 12:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-11-22 13:07           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-22 13:41             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-22 13:53               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-11-22 14:11                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-28 13:51         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-21 13:03 ` [PATCH 4/5] writeback: fix dirtied pages accounting on redirty Wu Fengguang
2011-11-21 21:51   ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-22 13:59     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-21 13:03 ` [PATCH 5/5] writeback: dirty ratelimit - think time compensation Wu Fengguang
2011-11-23 12:44 ` [PATCH 0/5] dirty throttling bits for 3.3 Peter Zijlstra
2011-11-28 13:56   ` Wu Fengguang

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