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From: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Make write(2) interruptible by a signal
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:27:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111124192711.GM4387@parisc-linux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111123122948.4aa7ddfa.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:29:48PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Still, if it's ***only*** for SIGKILL, we'll probably be OK, since
> > for that one case there's no chance userspace can intercept the signal,
> > so it can't do any recovery anyway.  (I could imagine some HPC program
> > doing a massive 2GB write, and some user of that program depending on
> > the fact that he can kill it at a predefined place by sending a SIGKILL
> > and knowing that the file would be written up to that 2GB chunk --- but
> > that's clearly an edge situation, as opposed to something that would
> > effect most GNOME and KDE apps.) We just need to make sure we never try
> > to do this for any other signal that could be caught, such as SIGINT or
> > SIGQUIT or (worse yet) SIGTSTP.
> 
> That it is a fatal SIGKILL means that the *current* application doesn't
> care.  But other processes will sometimes notice this change. 
> Previously if an app did write(file, 128k) and was hit with SIGKILL, it
> would write either 0 bytes or 128k bytes.  Now, it can write 36k bytes,
> yes?  If the target file consisted of a stream of 128k records then the
> user will claim, with some justification, that Linux corrupted it.

On the other hand, if there was a crash mid-write, they might also get a
36k write that actually hit media (right?  Or do we guarantee that on
reboot you see a multiple of 128k?)

We could put in some nice code that rewinds i_size to where it used to
be if the write was interrupted.  Or do we need to?  Presumably write_end
would not have been called, so i_size would not have been updated.

> Dunno.  People do lots of weird and flakey things.  I have a suspicion
> that we'll be hearing back from them about this change.

The problem is that we may not hear from them for 6 years ... or whenever
they decide to move off RHEL 3.

-- 
Matthew Wilcox				Intel Open Source Technology Centre
"Bill, look, we understand that you're interested in selling us this
operating system, but compare it to ours.  We can't possibly take such
a retrograde step."

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-24 19:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-16 11:12 [PATCH 0/2 v3] Make task in balance_dirty_pages() killable Jan Kara
2011-11-16 11:12 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: " Jan Kara
2011-11-16 11:28   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-16 12:58     ` Jan Kara
2011-11-16 11:12 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs: Make write(2) interruptible by a signal Jan Kara
2011-11-16 11:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-16 12:54     ` Jan Kara
2011-11-16 13:11       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-22 22:28     ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-23  9:05       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-23  9:50         ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-23 12:27           ` [PATCH 2/2] " Theodore Tso
2011-11-23 20:29             ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-24 19:27               ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2011-11-24 20:53                 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-11-25  0:10                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2011-11-24 20:53                 ` Jan Kara
2011-11-23 13:08         ` [PATCH 2/2] fs: " Jan Kara
2011-11-23 13:27           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-23 15:06             ` Theodore Tso
2011-11-28  3:08               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-28  3:33                 ` [PATCH] writeback: add a safety limit to the SIGKILL abort Wu Fengguang
2011-11-29 14:18                   ` Jan Kara
2011-11-29 14:16                 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs: Make write(2) interruptible by a signal Jan Kara
2011-11-16 11:23 ` [PATCH 0/2 v3] Make task in balance_dirty_pages() killable Wu Fengguang

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