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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Valerie Aurora <val@vaaconsulting.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	dm-devel@redhat.com,
	Christopher Chaltain <christopher.chaltain@canonical.com>,
	esandeen@redhat.com, Surbhi Palande <csurbhi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] deadlock with suspend and quotas
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:11:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111129111136.GC5635@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1111290556270.12274@hs20-bc2-1.build.redhat.com>

On Tue 29-11-11 06:06:21, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> On Tue 29-11-11 11:19:01, Jan Kara wrote:
> >   Hi,
> > 
> > On Mon 28-11-11 18:32:18, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > > 
> > > > Where can I get that patch set?
> > > > 
> > > > We are experiencing other similar deadlocks on RHEL-6, caused by sync or 
> > > > background writeback (these code paths take s_umount and wait trying to do 
> > > > I/O), but I wasn't able to reproduce these deadlocks on upstream kernel? 
> > > > Are there other known deadlock possibilities?
> > > 
> > > I found some patch named "[RFC PATCH 1/3] VFS: Fix s_umount thaw/write 
> > > deadlock" (I couldn't find the next two parts of the patch in the 
> > > archives). And the patch looks wrong:
> >   Yes, that seems to be the series. I generally agree with you that the
> > last iteration still had some problems and some changes were requested.
> > That's why it's not merged yet after all...
> > 
> > > - down_read_trylock(&sb->s_umount) doesn't fix anything. The lock is not 
> > > held when the filesystem is frozen and it is taken for write when thawing. 
> > > Consequently, any task can succeed with down_read_trylock(&sb->s_umount) 
> > > on a frozen filesystem and if this tasks attempts to do an I/O that is 
> > > waiting for thaw, it may still deadlock.
> >   Agreed.
> > 
> > > - skipping sync on frozen filesystem violates sync semantics. 
> > > Applications, such as databases, assume that when sync finishes, data were 
> > > written to stable storage. If we skip sync when the filesystem is frozen, 
> > > we can cause data corruption in these applications (if the system crashes 
> > > after we skipped a sync).
> >   Here I don't agree. Filesystem must guarantee there are no dirty data on
> > a frozen filesystem.
> 
> This is technically impossible to achieve on ext2, fat or other 
> non-transactional filesystems. These filesystems have no locks around code 
> paths that set data or inodes dirty. And you still need working sync for 
> ext2. So the best thing to do in sync is to wait until the filesystem is 
> unfrozen.
  Then suspend is effectively unsupported on the filesystem and should
return EOPNOTSUPP? At least that's what I'd expect...

									Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-29 11:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-25 20:25 [PATCH] deadlock with suspend and quotas Mikulas Patocka
2011-11-28 15:04 ` Jan Kara
2011-11-28 21:00   ` Valerie Aurora
2011-11-28 21:14     ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-11-28 23:32       ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-11-29 10:19         ` Jan Kara
2011-11-29 10:21           ` Jan Kara
2011-11-29 11:06             ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-11-29 11:11               ` Jan Kara [this message]
2011-11-29 12:54                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-11-29 13:09                   ` Jan Kara
2011-11-29 13:18                     ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2011-11-29 13:32                       ` Jan Kara
2011-11-29 16:33                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-11-30  6:52                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-11-30 11:16                           ` Jan Kara
2011-11-30 12:14                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-11-30 13:05                               ` Alasdair G Kergon
2011-11-30 16:53                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-11-30 17:09                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-11-30 13:33           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2011-11-30 13:48             ` Alasdair G Kergon
2011-11-30 16:36               ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-11-30 16:34             ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-12-01  0:34               ` Jan Kara
2011-11-30 14:09           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2011-11-30 16:53             ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-12-01  0:03               ` Jan Kara
2011-11-30 17:03             ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-11-29 20:00     ` Kamal Mostafa
2012-01-03  3:30 ` Al Viro
2012-01-03 18:22   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-01-03 18:35     ` Mikulas Patocka

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