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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@gmail.com>
To: "Loke, Chetan" <Chetan.Loke@netscout.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, neilb@suse.de, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"Darrick J.Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [dm-devel]  [LSF/MM TOPIC] a few storage topics
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 20:37:53 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120203123753.GA11042@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D3F292ADF945FB49B35E96C94C2061B915A64111@nsmail.netscout.com>

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:40:47AM -0500, Loke, Chetan wrote:
> > From: Andrea Arcangeli [mailto:aarcange@redhat.com]
> > Sent: January 25, 2012 5:46 PM
> 
> ....
> 
> > Way more important is to have feedback on the readahead hits and be
> > sure when readahead is raised to the maximum the hit rate is near 100%
> > and fallback to lower readaheads if we don't get that hit rate. But
> > that's not a VM problem and it's a readahead issue only.
> > 
> 
> A quick google showed up - http://kerneltrap.org/node/6642 
> 
> Interesting thread to follow. I haven't looked further as to what was
> merged and what wasn't.
> 
> A quote from the patch - " It works by peeking into the file cache and
> check if there are any history pages present or accessed."
> Now I don't understand anything about this but I would think digging the
> file-cache isn't needed(?). So, yes, a simple RA hit-rate feedback could
> be fine.
> 
> And 'maybe' for adaptive RA just increase the RA-blocks by '1'(or some
> N) over period of time. No more smartness. A simple 10 line function is
> easy to debug/maintain. That is, a scaled-down version of
> ramp-up/ramp-down. Don't go crazy by ramping-up/down after every RA(like
> SCSI LLDD madness). Wait for some event to happen.
> 
> I can see where Andrew Morton's concerns could be(just my
> interpretation). We may not want to end up like a protocol state machine
> code: tcp slow-start, then increase , then congestion, then let's
> back-off. hmmm, slow-start is a problem for my business logic, so let's
> speed-up slow-start ;).

Loke,

Thrashing safe readahead can work as simple as:

        readahead_size = min(nr_history_pages, MAX_READAHEAD_PAGES)

No need for more slow-start or back-off magics.

This is because nr_history_pages is a lower estimation of the threshing
threshold:

   chunk A           chunk B                      chunk C                 head

   l01 l11           l12   l21                    l22
| |-->|-->|       |------>|-->|                |------>|
| +-------+       +-----------+                +-------------+               |
| |   #   |       |       #   |                |       #     |               |
| +-------+       +-----------+                +-------------+               |
| |<==============|<===========================|<============================|
        L0                     L1                            L2

 Let f(l) = L be a map from
     l: the number of pages read by the stream
 to
     L: the number of pages pushed into inactive_list in the mean time
 then
     f(l01) <= L0
     f(l11 + l12) = L1
     f(l21 + l22) = L2
     ...
     f(l01 + l11 + ...) <= Sum(L0 + L1 + ...)
                        <= Length(inactive_list) = f(thrashing-threshold)

So the count of continuous history pages left in inactive_list is always a
lower estimation of the true thrashing-threshold. Given a stable workload,
the readahead size will keep ramping up and then stabilize in range

        (thrashing_threshold/2, thrashing_threshold)

Thanks,
Fengguang

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-03 12:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2012-01-17 20:06 ` [LSF/MM TOPIC] a few storage topics Mike Snitzer
2012-01-17 21:36   ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2012-01-18 22:58     ` Darrick J. Wong
2012-01-18 23:22       ` Jan Kara
2012-01-18 23:42         ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-01-19  9:46           ` Jan Kara
2012-01-19 15:08             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-01-19 20:52               ` Jan Kara
2012-01-19 21:39                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-01-22 11:31                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-01-23 16:30                     ` Jan Kara
2012-01-22 12:21             ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-01-23 16:18               ` Jan Kara
2012-01-23 17:53                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-01-23 18:28                   ` Jeff Moyer
2012-01-23 18:56                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-01-23 19:19                       ` Jeff Moyer
2012-01-24 15:15                     ` Chris Mason
2012-01-24 16:56                       ` [dm-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2012-01-24 17:01                         ` Andreas Dilger
2012-01-24 17:06                         ` [Lsf-pc] [dm-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2012-01-24 17:08                         ` Chris Mason
2012-01-24 17:08                         ` [Lsf-pc] " Andreas Dilger
2012-01-24 18:05                           ` [dm-devel] " Jeff Moyer
2012-01-24 18:40                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-01-24 19:07                               ` Chris Mason
2012-01-24 19:14                                 ` Jeff Moyer
2012-01-24 20:09                                   ` [Lsf-pc] [dm-devel] " Jan Kara
2012-01-24 20:13                                     ` [Lsf-pc] " Jeff Moyer
2012-01-24 20:39                                       ` [Lsf-pc] [dm-devel] " Jan Kara
2012-01-24 20:59                                         ` Jeff Moyer
2012-01-24 21:08                                           ` Jan Kara
2012-01-25  3:29                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2012-01-25  6:15                                           ` [Lsf-pc] " Andreas Dilger
2012-01-25  6:35                                             ` [Lsf-pc] [dm-devel] " Wu Fengguang
2012-01-25 14:00                                               ` Jan Kara
2012-01-26 12:29                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2012-01-27 17:03                                                   ` Ted Ts'o
2012-01-26 16:25                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2012-01-26 20:37                                                 ` Jan Kara
2012-01-26 22:34                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2012-01-27  3:27                                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2012-01-27  5:25                                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2012-01-27  7:53                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2012-01-25 14:33                                             ` Steven Whitehouse
2012-01-25 14:45                                               ` Jan Kara
2012-01-25 16:22                                               ` Loke, Chetan
2012-01-25 16:40                                                 ` Steven Whitehouse
2012-01-25 17:08                                                   ` Loke, Chetan
2012-01-25 17:32                                                   ` James Bottomley
2012-01-25 18:28                                                     ` Loke, Chetan
2012-01-25 18:37                                                       ` Loke, Chetan
2012-01-25 18:37                                                       ` James Bottomley
2012-01-25 20:06                                                         ` Chris Mason
2012-01-25 22:46                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-01-25 22:58                                                             ` Jan Kara
2012-01-26  8:59                                                             ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-01-26 16:40                                                             ` Loke, Chetan
2012-01-26 17:00                                                               ` Andreas Dilger
2012-01-26 17:16                                                                 ` Loke, Chetan
2012-02-03 12:37                                                               ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2012-01-26 22:38                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2012-01-26 16:17                                                         ` Loke, Chetan
2012-01-25 18:44                                                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-02-03 12:55                                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2012-01-24 19:11                               ` [dm-devel] [Lsf-pc] " Jeff Moyer
2012-01-26 22:31                             ` Dave Chinner
2012-01-24 17:12                       ` Jeff Moyer
2012-01-24 17:32                         ` Chris Mason
2012-01-24 18:14                           ` Jeff Moyer
2012-01-25  0:23           ` NeilBrown
2012-01-25  6:11             ` Andreas Dilger
2012-01-18 23:39       ` Dan Williams
2012-01-24 17:59   ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-01-24 19:48     ` Douglas Gilbert
2012-01-24 20:04       ` Martin K. Petersen

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