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From: Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Zach Brown <zab@zabbo.net>
Cc: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] Don't do page stablization if !CONFIG_BLKDEV_INTEGRITY
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:54:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120308155419.GB6777@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F581BF6.8000305@zabbo.net>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 09:39:50PM -0500, Zach Brown wrote:
> 
> >Can you devise a non-secret testcase that demonstrates this?
> 
> Hmm.  I bet you could get fio to do it.  Giant file, random mmap()
> writes, spin until the CPU overwhelms writeback?

Kick off a bunch of fio processes, each in separate I/O cgroups set up
so that each of the processes get a "fair" amount of the I/O
bandwidth.  (This is quite common in cloud deployments where you are
packing a huge number of tasks onto a single box; whether the tasks
are inside virtual machines or containers don't really matter for the
purpose of this exercise.  We basically need to simulate a system
where the disks are busy.)

Then in one of those cgroups, create a process which is constantly
appending to a file using buffered I/O; this could be a log file, or
an application-level journal file; and measure the latency of that
write system call.  Every so often, writeback will push the dirty
pages corresponding to the log/journal file to disk.  When that
happens, and page stablization is enabled, the latency of that write
system call will spike.

And any time you have a distributed system where you are depending on
a large number of RPC/SOAP/Service Oriented Architecture Enterpise
Service Bus calls (I don't really care which buzzword you use, but IBM
and Oracle really like the last one :-), long-tail latencies are what
kill your responsiveness and predictability.  Especially when a thread
goes away for a second or more...

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-08 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-07 23:40 [PATCH, RFC] Don't do page stablization if !CONFIG_BLKDEV_INTEGRITY Theodore Ts'o
2012-03-07 23:54 ` Eric Sandeen
2012-03-08  0:05   ` Darrick J. Wong
2012-03-08  2:18     ` Darrick J. Wong
2012-03-08  3:00       ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08  3:21         ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08  2:39   ` Zach Brown
2012-03-08 15:54     ` Ted Ts'o [this message]
2012-03-08 18:09       ` Chris Mason
2012-03-08 20:20         ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08 20:37           ` Chris Mason
2012-03-08 20:42             ` Jeff Moyer
2012-03-08 20:55               ` Chris Mason
2012-03-08 21:12               ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-08 21:20                 ` Chris Mason
2012-03-09  8:11                   ` Dave Chinner
2012-03-08 20:50             ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08 23:32               ` Dave Chinner
2012-03-08 21:24           ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-08 21:38             ` Chris Mason
2012-03-08 21:41               ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-09  1:02                 ` Chris Mason
2012-03-09  1:08                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-03-09 16:20                   ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-08 21:52             ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08  0:23 ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08  3:45   ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-03-08  4:37     ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08  6:27       ` Sage Weil
2012-03-08 15:43         ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-08 16:36           ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-03-08 16:43           ` Sage Weil
2012-03-15  2:10             ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-03-15  4:46               ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-15  5:02                 ` Andy Lutomirski

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