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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
To: "Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@itwm.fraunhofer.de>,
	Malahal Naineni <malahal@us.ibm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:43:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120416154322.0d95e435@corrin.poochiereds.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1334604785.2879.23.camel@lade.trondhjem.org>

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:33:05 +0000
"Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 13:46 -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > The question about looping indefinitely really comes down to:
> > 
> > 1) is a persistent ESTALE in conjunction with a successful lookup a
> > situation that we expect to be temporary. i.e. will the admin at some
> > point be able to do something about it? If not, then there's no point
> > in continuing to retry. Again, this is a situation that *really* should
> > not happen if the filesystem is doing the right thing.
> > 
> > 2) If the admin can't do anything about it, is it reasonable to expect
> > that users can send a fatal signal to hung applications if this
> > situation occurs.
> > 
> > We expect that that's ok in other situations to resolve hung
> > applications, so I'm not sure I understand why it wouldn't be
> > acceptable here...
> 
> There are definitely potentially persistent pathological situations that
> the filesystem can't do anything about. If the point of origin for your
> pathname (for instance your current directory in the case of a relative
> pathname) is stale, then no amount of looping is going to help you to
> recover.
> 

Ok -- Peter pretty much said something similar. Retrying indefnitely
when the lookup returns ESTALE probably won't help. I'm ok with
basically letting the VFS continue to do what it does there already. If
it gets an ESTALE, it tries again with LOOKUP_REVAL set and then gives
up if that doesn't work.

If however, the operation itself keeps returning ESTALE, are we OK to
retry indefinitely assuming that we'll break out of the loop on fatal
signals?

For example, something like the v2 patch I sent a little while ago?

-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>

  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-16 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-13 11:25 [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call Jeff Layton
     [not found] ` <20120413150518.GA1987@us.ibm.com>
2012-04-13 15:42   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 16:07     ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]       ` <4F884F32.7010402-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-13 17:10         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 17:34         ` Peter Staubach
     [not found]           ` <2F609A9B-B44B-4CEA-BF35-D6BEDA729363-83r9SdEf25FBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-13 23:00             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-14  0:57           ` Trond Myklebust
2012-04-15 19:03     ` Bernd Schubert
     [not found]       ` <4F8B1B7B.3040304-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-15 19:27         ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-16 14:23           ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-15 19:57         ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-16 11:23           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 11:53           ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-16 11:36         ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]           ` <20120416073655.7cdb90cf-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-16 12:54             ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-16 16:04               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 14:44           ` Bernd Schubert
     [not found]             ` <4F8C3036.2030702-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-16 17:46               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 19:33                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 19:43                   ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2012-04-16 20:25                     ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 23:05                       ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                         ` <20120416190548.2463d1d0-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 11:46                           ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]                             ` <4F8D580B.7060104-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 13:36                               ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                                 ` <20120417093643.7f172057-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 14:14                                   ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 14:27                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 15:02                                       ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                                         ` <20120417110219.0db9bdee-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 15:50                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                                             ` <87aa2anys1.fsf-d8RdFUjzFsbxNFs70CDYszOMxtEWgIxa@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 16:03                                               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:59                                           ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 13:12                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 13:32                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:03                             ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                               ` <87obqqo3qd.fsf-d8RdFUjzFsbxNFs70CDYszOMxtEWgIxa@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 14:22                                 ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                             ` <20120417093222.2ff5e1bd-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 14:04                               ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:20                                 ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                                   ` <20120417102035.2236e553-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 15:45                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                       ` <20120417154549.GA27426-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 16:02                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 13:39                         ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-17 14:08                           ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]                             ` <1334671736.2963.30.camel-SyLVLa/KEI9HwK5hSS5vWJi5GlFTYi68DQmRywkZCB4@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 14:48                               ` Peter Staubach
     [not found]                                 ` <FA8A9A935BFD3A4D8F0CDA1C4F611BCC063CF8E132-0qHjP65cd0bRCIvD65MY1w@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-18 15:16                                   ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                 ` <20120416134642.1754cd3e-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-16 19:43                   ` Scott Lovenberg
2012-04-16 16:55 ` [PATCH RFC v2] " Jeff Layton
     [not found] ` <1334316311-22331-1-git-send-email-jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-13 12:02   ` [PATCH RFC] " Jim Rees
     [not found]     ` <20120413120232.GA27179-63aXycvo3TyHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-13 12:09       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-18 11:52   ` [PATCH RFC v3] vfs: make fstatat retry once " Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 14:40     ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]       ` <20120420104055.511e15bc-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-20 20:18         ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]           ` <4F91C49D.8070908-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-20 20:37             ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-20 21:13               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-22  5:40                 ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                   ` <CAJfpegt40cgMJQQo3JuNaaS1w957Y2a_NxVoyvx3bmTMj1TGOA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 12:00                     ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                       ` <20120423080012.7c23ef24-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 13:00                         ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                           ` <20120423130009.GA13681-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 13:12                             ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                               ` <20120423091255.00f926c4-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 13:34                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                   ` <20120423133412.GB13681-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 13:50                                     ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:54                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 14:51                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                                           ` <87hawasdrb.fsf-d8RdFUjzFsbxNFs70CDYszOMxtEWgIxa@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 15:02                                             ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-23 15:23                                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 17:45                                                 ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 15:16                                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 15:28                                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 18:59                                                 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 21:13             ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]               ` <20120420171300.326d6e36-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 14:55                 ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]                   ` <4F956D5C.5050801-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 15:32                     ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                       ` <20120423113216.01992555-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 18:06                         ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 18:33                           ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                           ` <4F959A36.2080402-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 20:38                             ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-24 14:50                               ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                                 ` <20120424105049.5ed96b40-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24 15:54                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-24 16:34                                     ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                                       ` <20120424123413.17625d5d-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-25  9:41                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                                           ` <87bomgkv1b.fsf-d8RdFUjzFsbxNFs70CDYszOMxtEWgIxa@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-25 12:04                                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 17:43                     ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 19:06                     ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-22  4:16         ` Ric Wheeler
2012-04-23 11:20           ` Jeff Layton

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