From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@whamcloud.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
dchinner@redhat.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
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"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
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Mark Fasheh <mfasheh@suse.com>,
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OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>,
Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
xfs@os
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/19 v5] Fix filesystem freezing deadlocks
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:43:29 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120417004329.GE6734@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C9A0E2F0-ED57-40D6-9F75-5D72D45D21F0@dilger.ca>
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 03:02:50PM -0700, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On 2012-04-16, at 9:13 AM, Jan Kara wrote:
> > Another potential contention point might be patch 19. In that patch
> > we make freeze_super() refuse to freeze the filesystem when there
> > are open but unlinked files which may be impractical in some cases.
> > The main reason for this is the problem with handling of file deletion
> > from fput() called with mmap_sem held (e.g. from munmap(2)), and
> > then there's the fact that we cannot really force such filesystem
> > into a consistent state... But if people think that freezing with
> > open but unlinked files should happen, then I have some possible
> > solutions in mind (maybe as a separate patchset since this is
> > large enough).
>
> Looking at a desktop system, I think it is very typical that there
> are open-unlinked files present, so I don't know if this is really
> an acceptable solution. It isn't clear from your comments whether
> this is a blanket refusal for all open-unlinked files, or only in
> some particular cases...
>
> lsof | grep deleted
> nautilus 25393 adilger 19r REG 253,0 340 253954 /home/adilger/.local/share/gvfs-metadata/home (deleted)
> nautilus 25393 adilger 20r REG 253,0 32768 253964 /home/adilger/.local/share/gvfs-metadata/home-f332a8f3.log (deleted)
> gnome-ter 25623 adilger 22u REG 0,18 17841 2717846 /tmp/vtePIRJCW (deleted)
> gnome-ter 25623 adilger 23u REG 0,18 5568 2717847 /tmp/vteDCSJCW (deleted)
> gnome-ter 25623 adilger 29u REG 0,18 480 2728484 /tmp/vte6C1TCW (deleted)
Unlinked-but-open files are the reason that XFS dirties the log
after the freeze process is complete. This ensures that if the
system crashes while the filesystem is frozen then log recovery
during the next mount will process the unlinked (orphaned) inodes
and free the correctly. i.e. you can still freeze a filesystem with
inodes in this state successfully and have everythign behave as
you'd expect.
I'm not sure how other filesystems handle this problem, but perhaps
pushing this check down into filesystem specific code or adding a
superblock feature flag might be a way to allow filesystems to
handle this case in the way they think is best...
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-04-17 0:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-04-16 16:13 [PATCH 00/19 v5] Fix filesystem freezing deadlocks Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 01/27] fb_defio: Push file_update_time() into fb_deferred_io_mkwrite() Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 02/27] fs: Push file_update_time() into __block_page_mkwrite() Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 03/27] ceph: Push file_update_time() into ceph_page_mkwrite() Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 04/27] 9p: Push file_update_time() into v9fs_vm_page_mkwrite() Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 05/27] gfs2: Push file_update_time() into gfs2_page_mkwrite() Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 06/27] sysfs: Push file_update_time() into bin_page_mkwrite() Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 07/27] mm: Update file times from fault path only if .page_mkwrite is not set Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 08/27] mm: Make default vm_ops provide ->page_mkwrite handler Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 09/27] fs: Push mnt_want_write() outside of i_mutex Jan Kara
2012-04-17 2:18 ` Joel Becker
2012-04-17 7:43 ` Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 10/27] fat: " Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 11/27] btrfs: " Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 12/27] nfsd: " Jan Kara
2012-04-16 18:25 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-17 8:17 ` Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 13/27] fs: Improve filesystem freezing handling Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 14/27] fs: Add freezing handling to mnt_want_write() / mnt_drop_write() Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 15/27] fs: Skip atime update on frozen filesystem Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 16/27] fs: Protect write paths by sb_start_write - sb_end_write Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 17/27] ext4: Convert to new freezing mechanism Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 18/27] xfs: Convert to new freezing code Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 19/27] ocfs2: Convert to new freezing mechanism Jan Kara
2012-04-17 2:19 ` Joel Becker
2012-04-17 7:44 ` Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 20/27] gfs2: " Jan Kara
[not found] ` <1334592845-22862-1-git-send-email-jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-16 16:13 ` [PATCH 21/27] fuse: " Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:16 ` [PATCH 00/19 v5] Fix filesystem freezing deadlocks Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:14 ` [PATCH 22/27] ntfs: Convert to new freezing mechanism Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:14 ` [PATCH 23/27] nilfs2: " Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:14 ` [PATCH 24/27] btrfs: " Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:14 ` [PATCH 25/27] fs: Remove old " Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:14 ` [PATCH 26/27] fs: Refuse to freeze filesystem with open but unlinked files Jan Kara
2012-04-16 16:14 ` [PATCH 27/27] Documentation: Correct s_umount state for freeze_fs/unfreeze_fs Jan Kara
2012-04-16 22:02 ` [PATCH 00/19 v5] Fix filesystem freezing deadlocks Andreas Dilger
2012-04-17 0:43 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2012-04-17 5:10 ` Andreas Dilger
2012-04-18 0:46 ` Chris Samuel
2012-04-17 9:32 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20120417093246.GD7198-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 19:34 ` Joel Becker
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