From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>, "Myklebust\,
Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@itwm.fraunhofer.de>,
Malahal Naineni <malahal@us.ibm.com>,
"linux-nfs\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-fsdevel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
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"hch\@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
"michael.brantley\@deshaw.com" <michael.brantley@deshaw.com>,
"sven.breuner\@itwm.fraunhofer.de"
<sven.breuner@itwm.fraunhofer.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:02:19 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120417110219.0db9bdee@corrin.poochiereds.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k41eo2m3.fsf@tucsk.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:27:16 +0200
Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
> Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com> writes:
>
> > True, but even so... Giving file systems an opt-out option with the
> > default being out, maybe still have some merit... Making file systems
> > enable this new type of functionality would cut down on any of the
> > "surprise" that might occur with this redo ;-)
>
> I've been arguing for something slightly different for quite some time:
> I never liked errno values which have side effects in the kernel yet
> might be visible to userspace.
>
> So why not introduce ERETRYSTALE, a *kernel internal* errno value that
> userspace will never see and filesystems never accidentally set. The
> VFS can turn this into ESTALE if it doesn't retry for some reason
> (e.g. already retried).
>
That's possible but it's certainly a lot more invasive. It's also far
more difficult for filesystems to opt-in to this sort of behavior.
All of the places that call vfs_getattr, for instance will need to be
fixed up to deal with that sort of error. That will also make it messy
to do this in any sort of piecemeal fashion. We can't (for instance)
convert NFSERR_STALE to -ESTALERETRY universally. We'll need to take
great care only to return that to codepaths that are equipped to deal
with it.
Personally, I'd prefer not to foist so much code churn on any filesystem
that might want to do this sort of retry, but I'll live with it if
that's the consensus opinion...
--
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-04-17 15:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-04-13 11:25 [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120413150518.GA1987@us.ibm.com>
2012-04-13 15:42 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 16:07 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <4F884F32.7010402-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-13 17:10 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 17:34 ` Peter Staubach
[not found] ` <2F609A9B-B44B-4CEA-BF35-D6BEDA729363-83r9SdEf25FBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-13 23:00 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-14 0:57 ` Trond Myklebust
2012-04-15 19:03 ` Bernd Schubert
[not found] ` <4F8B1B7B.3040304-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-15 19:27 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-16 14:23 ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-15 19:57 ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-16 11:23 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 11:53 ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-16 11:36 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120416073655.7cdb90cf-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-16 12:54 ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-16 16:04 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 14:44 ` Bernd Schubert
[not found] ` <4F8C3036.2030702-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-16 17:46 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 19:33 ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 19:43 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 20:25 ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 23:05 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120416190548.2463d1d0-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 11:46 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <4F8D580B.7060104-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 13:36 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120417093643.7f172057-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 14:14 ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 14:27 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 15:02 ` Jeff Layton [this message]
[not found] ` <20120417110219.0db9bdee-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 15:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <87aa2anys1.fsf-d8RdFUjzFsbxNFs70CDYszOMxtEWgIxa@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 16:03 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:59 ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 13:12 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 13:32 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:03 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <87obqqo3qd.fsf-d8RdFUjzFsbxNFs70CDYszOMxtEWgIxa@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 14:22 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120417093222.2ff5e1bd-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 14:04 ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:20 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120417102035.2236e553-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 15:45 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20120417154549.GA27426-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 16:02 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 13:39 ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-17 14:08 ` Myklebust, Trond
[not found] ` <1334671736.2963.30.camel-SyLVLa/KEI9HwK5hSS5vWJi5GlFTYi68DQmRywkZCB4@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17 14:48 ` Peter Staubach
[not found] ` <FA8A9A935BFD3A4D8F0CDA1C4F611BCC063CF8E132-0qHjP65cd0bRCIvD65MY1w@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-18 15:16 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120416134642.1754cd3e-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-16 19:43 ` Scott Lovenberg
2012-04-16 16:55 ` [PATCH RFC v2] " Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <1334316311-22331-1-git-send-email-jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-13 12:02 ` [PATCH RFC] " Jim Rees
[not found] ` <20120413120232.GA27179-63aXycvo3TyHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-13 12:09 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-18 11:52 ` [PATCH RFC v3] vfs: make fstatat retry once " Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 14:40 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120420104055.511e15bc-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-20 20:18 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <4F91C49D.8070908-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-20 20:37 ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-20 21:13 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-22 5:40 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <CAJfpegt40cgMJQQo3JuNaaS1w957Y2a_NxVoyvx3bmTMj1TGOA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 12:00 ` Jeff Layton
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2012-04-23 13:00 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20120423130009.GA13681-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 13:12 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120423091255.00f926c4-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 13:34 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20120423133412.GB13681-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 13:50 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 14:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <87hawasdrb.fsf-d8RdFUjzFsbxNFs70CDYszOMxtEWgIxa@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 15:02 ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-23 15:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 17:45 ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 15:16 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 15:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 18:59 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 21:13 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120420171300.326d6e36-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 14:55 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <4F956D5C.5050801-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 15:32 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120423113216.01992555-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 18:06 ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 18:33 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <4F959A36.2080402-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 20:38 ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-24 14:50 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120424105049.5ed96b40-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24 15:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-24 16:34 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120424123413.17625d5d-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-25 9:41 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <87bomgkv1b.fsf-d8RdFUjzFsbxNFs70CDYszOMxtEWgIxa@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-25 12:04 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 17:43 ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 19:06 ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-22 4:16 ` Ric Wheeler
2012-04-23 11:20 ` Jeff Layton
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