linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	David Safford <safford@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Dmitry Kasatkin <dmitry.kasatkin@intel.com>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC] situation with fput() locking (was Re: [PULL REQUEST] : ima-appraisal patches)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:54:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120420025438.GD6871@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxQR8g3TycW7nOVjjnnsaWWW-Gh74-bV6rUm+7SRTm25g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 07:31:01PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > However, there's an approach that might be feasible. ?Most of the time
> > the final fput() *is* done without any locks held and there's a very
> > large subclass of those call sites - those that come via fput_light().
> > What we could do, and what might be maintainable is:
> > ? ? ? ?* prohibit fput_light() with locks held. ?Right now we are very
> > close to that (or already there - I haven't finished checking).
> > ? ? ? ?* convert low-hanging fget/fput in syscalls to fget_light/fput_light.
> > Makes sense anyway.
> 
> Many of them would make sense, yes (looking at vfs_fstatat() etc.
> 
> But a lot of fput() calls come from close() -> filp_close -> fput().
> 
> And the "fput_light()" model *only* works together with fget_light()
> as it is now.
> 
> So I do think you need some other model. Of course, we can just do
> "fput_light(file, 1)" instead - that seems pretty ugly, though. But
> just making "fput()" do a defer on the last count sounds actively
> *wrong* for things like close(), which may actually have serious
> consistency guarantees (ie the process doing the close() may "know"
> that it is the last user, and depend on the fact that the close() did
> actually delete the inode etc.

Umm...  I really wonder if we *want* filp_close() under any kind of
locks.  You are right - it should not be deferred.  I haven't finished
checking the callers of that puppy, but if we really do it while holding
any kind of lock, we are asking for trouble.  So I'd rather switch
filp_close() to use of fput_nodefer() if that turns out to be possible.

FWIW, the set of primitives I'm thinking of right now is

__fput(file) - same as now
schedule_fput(file) - takes the only reference to file and schedules __fput()
fput_nodefer(file)
{
        if (atomic_long_dec_and_test(&file->f_count))
                __fput(file);
}
fput(file)
{
	if (unlikely(!fput_atomic(file))
		schedule_fput(file);
}
fput_light(file, need_fput)
{
	if (need_fput)
		fput_nodefer(file);
}
fput_light_defer(file, need_fput) // for callers in some weird ioctls, might
				  // not be needed at all
{
	if (need_fput)
		fput(file);
}

and filp_close() would, if that turns out to be possible, call fput_nodefer()
instead of fput().  If we *do* have places where we need deferral in
filp_close() (and I'm fairly sure that any such place is a deadlock right
now), well, we'll need a variant of filp_close() sans the call of fput...()
and those places would call that, followed by full (deferring) fput().

  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-20  2:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-18 13:04 [PULL REQUEST] : ima-appraisal patches Mimi Zohar
2012-04-18 15:02 ` James Morris
2012-04-18 18:07   ` Mimi Zohar
2012-04-18 18:39     ` Al Viro
2012-04-18 20:56       ` Mimi Zohar
2012-04-19 19:57       ` Mimi Zohar
2012-04-20  0:43         ` [RFC] situation with fput() locking (was Re: [PULL REQUEST] : ima-appraisal patches) Al Viro
2012-04-20  2:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-20  2:54             ` Al Viro [this message]
2012-04-20  2:58               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-20  8:09                 ` Al Viro
2012-04-20 15:56                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-20 16:08                     ` Al Viro
2012-04-20 16:42                       ` Al Viro
2012-04-20 17:21                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-20 18:07                           ` Al Viro
2012-04-20  3:15               ` Al Viro
2012-04-20 18:54           ` Hugh Dickins
2012-04-20 19:04             ` Al Viro
2012-04-20 19:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-20 19:32                 ` Hugh Dickins
2012-04-20 19:58                 ` Al Viro
2012-04-20 21:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-20 22:13                     ` Al Viro
2012-04-20 22:35                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-27  7:35                         ` Kasatkin, Dmitry
2012-04-27 17:34                           ` Al Viro
2012-04-27 18:52                             ` Kasatkin, Dmitry
2012-04-27 19:15                               ` Kasatkin, Dmitry
2012-04-30 14:32                             ` Mimi Zohar
2012-05-03  4:23                               ` James Morris
2012-04-20 19:37               ` Al Viro

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20120420025438.GD6871@ZenIV.linux.org.uk \
    --to=viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk \
    --cc=davem@davemloft.net \
    --cc=dmitry.kasatkin@intel.com \
    --cc=jmorris@namei.org \
    --cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=safford@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).