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From: djwong <djwong@us.ibm.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ext4: turn on i_version updates by default
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:50:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120515185037.GG6938@tux1.beaverton.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120515173340.GA10064@fieldses.org>

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:33:40PM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:27:42AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> > On 2012-05-14, at 9:23 AM, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:02:12AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> > >> On 2012-05-14, at 8:06, "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> > >>> knfsd needs i_version updates on, as will userspace nfs servers and
> > >>> probably others.
> > >>> 
> > >>> The only effects are that inode->i_version is bumped (under the i_lock)
> > >>> in more places, and that ->dirty_inode(I_DIRTY_DATASYNC) may be called
> > >>> more frequently than once per jiffy on write (see file_update_time).
> > >>> However the latter appears to be mostly a no-op in that case.
> > >> 
> > >> I thought this can have noticeable performance impact, since ext4_mark_inode_dirty() is quite heavyweight?
> > > 
> > > There's no reason it should be, should it, if we already just dirtied
> > > the inode a moment ago?
> > 
> > Ideally not, but the way ext[34]_mark_inode_dirty() is implemented
> > is that it copies the whole in-core inode to the on-disk inode every
> > time it is marked dirty.  That ensures that the on-disk inode is
> > up-to-date when the journal flushes the blocks to disk, but is not
> > an ideal implementation.  It has been this way since the first ext3
> > implementation was done.
> > 
> > As a result, dirtying the inode very frequently for ext[34] is
> > currently expensive and should be avoided.
> > 
> > I _think_ that the ext4 metadata checksum patches have changed this
> > to only flag the inode dirty and run a pre-commit callback to copy
> > the in-core inode to the on-disk inode.  I'm not sure what the
> > current status of that patch is, nor how easily it could be split
> > from that patch series and land separately.
> 
> I did some searching, found a couple of versions of the metadata
> checksum patches, but no patch that looked like what you're describing.
> Any idea where that is?

That _was_ going to be the basis of phase 2 of my metadata checksum patchset,
but since I've been moved to other projects, I don't see that on my plate in
the near future. :/

(tldr: It doesn't exist.)

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-15 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-14 14:06 [PATCH] ext4: turn on i_version updates by default J. Bruce Fields
     [not found] ` <20120514140618.GA29902-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 15:02   ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]     ` <9124E59E-2479-4C32-A528-3237B48DEC01-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 15:23       ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]         ` <20120514152334.GB29902-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 17:27           ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]             ` <14B38D68-FAE4-444A-BCD9-7EBF7E1BBFE1-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 17:58               ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                 ` <20120514175822.GC1439-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 18:33                   ` Josef Bacik
     [not found]                     ` <20120514183316.GA1894-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 18:48                       ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                         ` <20120514144802.679551fa-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 18:51                           ` Josef Bacik
2012-05-14 18:54                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-14 19:05                         ` Josef Bacik
     [not found]                           ` <20120514190500.GC1894-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 21:27                             ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-15 13:28                               ` Josef Bacik
2012-05-15 17:59                                 ` Marco Stornelli
2012-05-15 19:18                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-15 17:33             ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-15 18:50               ` djwong [this message]
2012-05-14 23:08     ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]       ` <1337036918.2522.32.camel-SyLVLa/KEI9HwK5hSS5vWB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 23:33         ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-14 23:54           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]             ` <20120514235432.GA3199-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-15 10:30               ` Jan Kara
2012-05-15 12:35                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-15 14:43                   ` Jan Kara
2012-05-15  0:13           ` Myklebust, Trond

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