From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
Cc: Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>, Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ext4: turn on i_version updates by default
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:18:10 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120515191810.GA11028@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FB2996F.40708@gmail.com>
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 07:59:11PM +0200, Marco Stornelli wrote:
> Only a really really stupid question (I don't know NFS protocol well
> enough). In 3.3 kernel, I see that only ext4 uses MS_I_VERSION, so I
> wonder: if i_version change it's needed for exportable fs and so for
> nfs, other exportable fs?
Yes, it's needed for others as well. I believe btrfs and xfs are both
adding it.
We're currently using ctime for the nfs change attribute. That's
effectively jiffy granularity. So to see the problem at a minimum you'd
need two writes to be processed within one jiffy, and a stat to come
between them. But that's a correctness problem, and we'd like to see it
fixed before it becomes more common.
More generally, it's useful to be able to ask whether a file changed
without rereading all its data, and a clock that registers every change
and is consistent across a filesystem sounds difficult to scale. We may
eventually find we need something like this outside nfs.
--b.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-05-15 19:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-05-14 14:06 [PATCH] ext4: turn on i_version updates by default J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20120514140618.GA29902-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 15:02 ` Andreas Dilger
[not found] ` <9124E59E-2479-4C32-A528-3237B48DEC01-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 15:23 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20120514152334.GB29902-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 17:27 ` Andreas Dilger
[not found] ` <14B38D68-FAE4-444A-BCD9-7EBF7E1BBFE1-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 17:58 ` Ted Ts'o
[not found] ` <20120514175822.GC1439-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 18:33 ` Josef Bacik
[not found] ` <20120514183316.GA1894-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 18:48 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20120514144802.679551fa-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 18:51 ` Josef Bacik
2012-05-14 18:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-14 19:05 ` Josef Bacik
[not found] ` <20120514190500.GC1894-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 21:27 ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-15 13:28 ` Josef Bacik
2012-05-15 17:59 ` Marco Stornelli
2012-05-15 19:18 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2012-05-15 17:33 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-15 18:50 ` djwong
2012-05-14 23:08 ` Myklebust, Trond
[not found] ` <1337036918.2522.32.camel-SyLVLa/KEI9HwK5hSS5vWB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 23:33 ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-14 23:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20120514235432.GA3199-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-15 10:30 ` Jan Kara
2012-05-15 12:35 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-15 14:43 ` Jan Kara
2012-05-15 0:13 ` Myklebust, Trond
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