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From: Kent Overstreet <koverstreet@google.com>
To: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	axboe@kernel.dk, yehuda@hq.newdream.net, mpatocka@redhat.com,
	vgoyal@redhat.com, bharrosh@panasas.com, tj@kernel.org,
	sage@newdream.net, agk@redhat.com, drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com,
	Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>,
	tytso@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 14/16] Gut bio_add_page()
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:09:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120525210944.GB14196@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120525204651.GA24246@redhat.com>

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 04:46:51PM -0400, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> I'd love to see the merge_bvec stuff go away but it does serve a
> purpose: filesystems benefit from accurately building up much larger
> bios (based on underlying device limits).  XFS has leveraged this for
> some time and ext4 adopted this (commit bd2d0210cf) because of the
> performance advantage.

That commit only talks about skipping buffer heads, from the patch
description I don't see how merge_bvec_fn would have anything to do with
what it's after.

> So if you don't have a mechanism for the filesystem's IO to have
> accurate understanding of the limits of the device the filesystem is
> built on (merge_bvec was the mechanism) and are leaning on late
> splitting does filesystem performance suffer?

So is the issue that it may take longer for an IO to complete, or is it
CPU utilization/scalability?

If it's the former, we've got a real problem. If it's the latter - it
might be a problem in the interim (I don't expect generic_make_request()
to be splitting bios in the common case long term), but I doubt it's
going to be much of an issue.

> Would be nice to see before and after XFS and ext4 benchmarks against a
> RAID device (level 5 or 6).  I'm especially interested to get Dave
> Chinner's and Ted's insight here.

Yeah.

I can't remember who it was, but Ted knows someone who was able to
benchmark on a 48 core system. I don't think we need numbers from a 48
core machine for these patches, but whatever workloads they were testing
that were problematic CPU wise would be useful to test.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-25 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-25 20:25 [PATCH v3 00/16] Block cleanups Kent Overstreet
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 01/16] block: Generalized bio pool freeing Kent Overstreet
     [not found]   ` <1337977539-16977-2-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28  1:15     ` Tejun Heo
2012-05-28 10:04     ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 02/16] dm: Use bioset's front_pad for dm_rq_clone_bio_info Kent Overstreet
     [not found]   ` <1337977539-16977-3-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28  0:57     ` [dm-devel] " Jun'ichi Nomura
     [not found]       ` <4FC2CD93.1080009-JhyGz2TFV9J8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28 11:41         ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2012-05-28  1:21     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <1337977539-16977-1-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-25 20:25   ` [PATCH v3 03/16] block: Add bio_reset() Kent Overstreet
     [not found]     ` <1337977539-16977-4-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28  1:23       ` Tejun Heo
2012-05-28 10:02         ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 04/16] pktcdvd: Switch to bio_kmalloc() Kent Overstreet
     [not found]   ` <1337977539-16977-5-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28  1:30     ` Tejun Heo
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 05/16] block: Kill bi_destructor Kent Overstreet
     [not found]   ` <1337977539-16977-6-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28  1:36     ` Tejun Heo
2012-05-29  2:10       ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]         ` <20120529021042.GA6472-RcKxWJ4Cfj3IzGYXcIpNmNLIRw13R84JkQQo+JxHRPFibQn6LdNjmg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-29  2:20           ` Tejun Heo
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 06/16] block: Add an explicit bio flag for bios that own their bvec Kent Overstreet
     [not found]   ` <1337977539-16977-7-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28  1:52     ` Tejun Heo
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 07/16] block: Rename bio_split() -> bio_pair_split() Kent Overstreet
     [not found]   ` <1337977539-16977-8-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28 10:15     ` Boaz Harrosh
     [not found]       ` <4FC3504B.7000903-C4P08NqkoRlBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-29  2:15         ` Kent Overstreet
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 08/16] block: Rework bio splitting Kent Overstreet
     [not found]   ` <1337977539-16977-9-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28 16:12     ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 09/16] block: Add bio_clone_kmalloc() Kent Overstreet
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 10/16] block: Add bio_clone_bioset() Kent Overstreet
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 11/16] block: Only clone bio vecs that are in use Kent Overstreet
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 12/16] Closures Kent Overstreet
     [not found]   ` <1337977539-16977-13-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-25 20:57     ` Joe Perches
2012-05-25 21:35       ` Kent Overstreet
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 13/16] Make generic_make_request handle arbitrarily large bios Kent Overstreet
     [not found]   ` <1337977539-16977-14-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-25 22:58     ` Alasdair G Kergon
     [not found]       ` <20120525225852.GG5761-FDJ95KluN3Z0klwcnFlA1dvLeJWuRmrY@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-25 23:12         ` Alasdair G Kergon
2012-05-26  0:18           ` Kent Overstreet
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 14/16] Gut bio_add_page() Kent Overstreet
     [not found]   ` <1337977539-16977-15-git-send-email-koverstreet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-25 20:46     ` Mike Snitzer
2012-05-25 21:09       ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
     [not found]         ` <20120525210944.GB14196-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-25 22:39           ` Alasdair G Kergon
     [not found]             ` <20120525223937.GF5761-FDJ95KluN3Z0klwcnFlA1dvLeJWuRmrY@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28 16:07               ` Mikulas Patocka
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1205281129180.2227-e+HWlsje6Db1wF9wiOj0lkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28 20:28                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20120528202839.GA18537-RcKxWJ4Cfj1J2suj2OqeGauc2jM2gXBXkQQo+JxHRPFibQn6LdNjmg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28 21:27                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-05-28 21:38                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                           ` <20120528213839.GB18537-RcKxWJ4Cfj1J2suj2OqeGauc2jM2gXBXkQQo+JxHRPFibQn6LdNjmg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-28 23:02                             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                               ` <20120528230208.GA20954-RcKxWJ4Cfj1J2suj2OqeGauc2jM2gXBXkQQo+JxHRPFibQn6LdNjmg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-29  2:08                                 ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-29  2:15                                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                     ` <20120529021558.GG20954-RcKxWJ4Cfj1J2suj2OqeGauc2jM2gXBXkQQo+JxHRPFibQn6LdNjmg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-29  3:36                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2012-05-29  2:07                             ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-29  1:54         ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-29  3:34           ` Kent Overstreet
2012-06-05  0:33             ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 15/16] md: Kill merge_bvec_fn()s Kent Overstreet
2012-05-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 16/16] dm: Kill merge_bvec_fn() Kent Overstreet

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