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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Asias He <asias@redhat.com>, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-aio@kvack.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Add vhost-blk support
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:51:43 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120717095143.GD7949@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5005313D.1000300@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:32:45AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il 17/07/2012 11:21, Asias He ha scritto:
> >> It depends.  Like vhost-scsi, vhost-blk has the problem of a crippled
> >> feature set: no support for block device formats, non-raw protocols,
> >> etc.  This makes it different from vhost-net.
> > 
> > Data-plane qemu also has this cripppled feature set problem, no?
> 
> Yes, but that is just a proof of concept.  We can implement a separate
> I/O thread within the QEMU block layer, and add fast paths that resemble
> data-path QEMU, without limiting the feature set.
> 
> > Does user always choose to use block devices format like qcow2? What
> > if they prefer raw image or raw block device?
> 
> If they do, the code should hit fast paths and be fast.  But it should
> be automatic, without the need for extra knobs.  aio=thread vs.
> aio=native is already one knob too much IMHO.

Well one extra knob at qemu level is harmless IMO since
the complexity can be handled by libvirt. For vhost-net
libvirt already enables vhost automatically dependeing on backend
used and I imagine a similar thing can happen here.


> >> So it begs the question, is it going to be used in production, or just a
> >> useful reference tool?
> > 
> > This should be decided by user, I can not speak for them. What is wrong
> > with adding one option for user which they can decide?
> 
> Having to explain the user about the relative benefits;

This can just be done automatically by libvirt.

> having to
> support the API; having to handle transition from one more thing when
> something better comes out.
> 
> Paolo

Well this is true for any code. If the limited featureset which
vhost-blk can accelerate is something many people use, then accelerating
by 5-15% might outweight support costs.

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-17  9:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-12 15:35 [PATCH 0/5] Add vhost-blk support Asias He
2012-07-12 15:35 ` [PATCH 1/5] aio: Export symbols and struct kiocb_batch for in kernel aio usage Asias He
2012-07-12 17:50   ` James Bottomley
2012-07-13  1:40     ` Asias He
2012-07-12 16:06 ` [PATCH 0/5] Add vhost-blk support Jeff Moyer
2012-07-13  1:19   ` Asias He
2012-07-16 11:58 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17  8:29   ` Asias He
2012-07-17  8:52     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17  9:21       ` Asias He
2012-07-17  9:32         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17  9:51           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2012-07-17 11:11         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:26           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:42             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:51               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:54               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 12:03                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 12:48                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 13:02                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 13:26                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18  8:47                       ` Asias He
2012-07-18  8:12           ` Asias He
2012-07-18  8:26             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-18  9:46         ` Ronen Hod
2012-07-17  9:45       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 10:14         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 10:49           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 10:56             ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 11:09               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:36     ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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